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The Vets have returned to Standing Rock

 
 
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 06:10 pm
http://alternativemediasyndicate.com/2017/02/11/army-veterans-just-returned-standing-rock-form-human-shield-police/
I hope there isn't any blood shed.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 11 Feb, 2017 07:00 pm

I have mixed feelings. It is clear that the pipeline will be safe, so the protests against having the pipeline *at all* are nonsense.

But I am sympathetic to the Native American arguments that, if the pipeline is so safe (and it is) why was it moved away from the wealthy white neighborhood and run through Native land?

Quite right. Route the thing though the wealthy white neighborhood just as the original plans did. They won't even know it is there after it is installed.

But beyond that, definitely install the pipeline. The people who oppose having the pipeline *no matter what route it takes* are just wrong.
bestgamingchair
 
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Sun 12 Feb, 2017 06:35 am
@oralloy,
"It feels like 1875 because natives are sill fighting for our land"

Within hours, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe had hauled in its own infrastructure: banks of Porta-Potties, water tankers, a disaster response trailer, Dumpsters, ambulances, a refrigerated semi truck. Meanwhile, each delegation arrived with cash and food. Tons of food. I spent a day cooking meatball stew in the main kitchen and discovered, among other abundances, a four-person tent stacked to the ceiling with bags of flour. The tribe also had its own beef production enterprise. The Yakima Nation in Washington chartered a tractor trailer filled with pallets of fresh fruit and bottled water. Small donations were also received: somebody mailed four packets of Lipton noodles. When I asked how long they planned to the stay, most said, “Till the end.”

One day, it got so hot that I drove up the road to check email under the air conditioner of the Prairie Knights Casino and Resort, owned by the tribe. After days talking about spirit and justice under the big open skies, it came as a shock to hedgehog into the chilly dark cave of the casinos, ABBA tunes piped through the speakers, a television twice the size of my car. I watched 58 senior citizens disembark from a motor coach from Bismarck, 58 of them Caucasian, and as they plunked their pensions into the one-armed bandits, I wondered if they knew they were underwriting the civil disobedience down the road.
Sturgis
 
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Sun 12 Feb, 2017 05:01 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
It is clear that the pipeline will be safe, so the protests... ....are nonsense


Why, because pipelines never break or have leaks?

There are multiple leaks over the course of a year, some quite substantial and devastating.



www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/26/511636325/iowa-pipeline-leaks-nearly-140-000-gallons-of-diesel

www.carlyleobserver.com/saskatchewan-spill-highlights-problems-with-pipeline-leak-detection-systems-1.9501002
camlok
 
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Sun 12 Feb, 2017 06:25 pm
@bestgamingchair,
That's totally unfair, people supplying themselves with the necessities, and the odd comfort of life.

Nothing like the good old days when the army could bring in the latest in machine guns to deal with the situation.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 04:44 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:
Why, because pipelines never break or have leaks?
There are multiple leaks over the course of a year, some quite substantial and devastating.

Not nearly as bad as the dangers of shipping it by truck or train.

Not nearly as bad as fueling the country with coal-burning power plants.

Nuclear would be a viable alternative, but we'd have to crush the anti-nuke movement.
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Miller
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 07:31 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

There are multiple leaks over the course of a year, some quite substantial ...


A major problem is too often, severe contamination of the major water supply.
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Miller
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 07:40 am
@edgarblythe,
"Alternative Media Syndicate"?

Is this related to Trump's "Alternative Facts"?
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edgarblythe
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:09 am
https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/p720x720/14940197_1282949548435096_409778708243897777_o.jpg?oh=8c1d2a2905f5d7902192d323ab5d8fa4&oe=59377665
McGentrix
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:56 am
@edgarblythe,
That's why the white guys showed up heavily armed.
edgarblythe
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:59 am
@McGentrix,
The dark skinned guys would all have been gunned down like dogs if they had guns.
McGentrix
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:01 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

The dark skinned guys would all have been gunned down like dogs if they had guns.


I guess it depends on the circumstance. If they showed up, dug in, make sandbag entrenchments and the had the media on site... We'll never know what could have been. I think it comes down to your beliefs and how much money is involved.

The pipeline is big bucks. A tiny house on open land ain't worth that much.
edgarblythe
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:12 am
@McGentrix,
The media has been leashed where Standing Rock is concerned. If they covered it in an open and honest way the public would be up in arms over it. They could scoop them up the way it was done in Soylent Green and the media would be still.
McGentrix
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:15 am
@edgarblythe,
So there you go. Make sure the media is there to cover it all. If the public is involved, the govt won't act aggressively.
edgarblythe
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:28 am
@McGentrix,
You aren't getting media there. The few reporters they see get arrested and the rest stay away. The one option is to be peaceable in hope something will break their way. Which of course it isn't because this has not been a land of the free since sometime in the 60s.
Sturgis
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 03:42 pm
@edgarblythe,
For the indigenous people, it hasn't been the land of the free since the danged Europeans arrived!
edgarblythe
 
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Mon 13 Feb, 2017 03:44 pm
@Sturgis,
No doubt.
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edgarblythe
 
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Sun 19 Feb, 2017 09:57 am
Video Shows Morton County Dumping Trash Inside Standing Rock Camp To Frame Protesters
http://alternativemediasyndicate.com/2017/02/09/video-shows-morton-county-dumping-trash-inside-standing-rock-camp-frame-protesters/
camlok
 
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Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:53 am
@edgarblythe,
Same ole same ole same ole ...
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camlok
 
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Sun 19 Feb, 2017 07:30 pm
@Sturgis,
And for all the people falsely imprisoned in the Gulag Guantanamo for 15 years based on false accusations against 19 Arab men, for all the Iraqis murdered because of the false accusations against 19 Arab men, for all the Afghans murdered because of the false accusations against 19 Arab men.

Can you name any of the other truly evil things that have come to pass because of the false accusations against 19 Arab men?
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