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Collective nouns and verb subordination

 
 
Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2017 07:02 pm
What verb form , singular or plural, should be in the sentence: Rodrigues passes to Messi who shoots just over the bar. Barcelona IS attacking much more in this half ...
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centrox
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2017 03:35 am
In American English, singular verbs are more usual after collective nouns, but in British English, plural verbs are often seen. In British English it’s absolutely fine to treat most collective nouns as either singular or plural – you can say my husband’s family is very religious or my husband’s family are very religious. American English takes a slightly different approach to the agreement of verbs with collective nouns. There is a very strong preference for the use of singular verbs with such nouns, so in American English you are much more likely to see, for example: his company’s legal team is investigating the matter, rather than: his company’s legal team are investigating the matter. However, using a plural is acceptable in American English if the writer or speaker wants to emphasize the individuals in a group rather than regarding the group as a single entity: the NY audience were their usual reserved selves.

dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2017 02:17 pm
@centrox,
Okay Cen but hwbwt the 'IS'

No kidding. I really do intend to 'gin spell stuff out where the OP is clearly esl; and herewith my apologies to Sweet

But howdja like the 'hwbwt'

Seriously Trox
centrox
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2017 02:50 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:
Okay Cen but hwbwt the 'IS'
I already explained. Quit trolling.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2017 04:56 pm
@centrox,
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I already explained
Fogive an old fella Cen but where specifically

Quote:
Quit trolling
Seriously, I'm percfecty serious, Trox. Really

Seriously
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Sweet-sweet
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2017 09:48 pm
So, are both variants good?
centrox
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 03:29 am
@Sweet-sweet,
Sweet-sweet wrote:
So, are both variants good?

As I said above, in British English, both are good, in America they mostly use 'is'.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 12:09 pm
@Sweet-sweet,
Sweet, Cen thinks I'm kidding and so I ask you: What is 'IS' a variant of, and how

Thanks a million
centrox
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 01:06 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:
Sweet, Cen thinks I'm kidding and so I ask you: What is 'IS' a variant of, and how

Dale, please stop trolling this thread.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 02:06 pm
@centrox,
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stop trolling
Honest to God Cen, if I'm trolling I don't mean to. My q's are perfectly serious
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centrox
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 02:16 pm
The two variant ways of using a verb after collective nouns, in this case 'team', or the name of a team...

Barcelona IS attacking much more in this half ...

Barcelona ARE attacking much more in this half ...

The first is standard in American English, both are acceptable in British English.

This has all been clearly explained above.
timur
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 02:46 pm
Old age is a wreckage...
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 02:50 pm
@timur,
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wreckage...
And how
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timur
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 02:50 pm
Everything you post is an example..
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 02:52 pm
@centrox,
Quote:
clearly explained
Okay Cen but thanks for explaining even more clearly. My instant reaction was that 'Barcelona are...' is clearly ridiculous
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 02:54 pm
@timur,
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Everything you post is an example..
Well Mur not everything

https://able2know.org/topic/368390-1

Doncha think that'n's almost halfway intelligent...
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centrox
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 03:07 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:
My instant reaction was that 'Barcelona are...' is clearly ridiculous

That's because you are American, and didn't know about the British English usage. It is very common is British English countries to see the plural used for teams, companies, organisations, etc.

Airbus are proud to have created an aircraft that is celebrated for its outstanding quality.

BUT...

Boeing has fired nearly 4000 employees in Washington.
timur
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 03:29 pm
Dale wrote:
Doncha think that'n's almost halfway intelligent...


I have to reiterate what I said already..

Everything you post is proof of my assertions.

I cannot understand how you could go through a life in journalism with such limited vocabulary, while pretending to know stuff.
camlok
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 03:49 pm
@timur,
That's not very nice, timur.
timur
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 03:54 pm
@camlok,
And?
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