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'A Racist Is as a Racist Does'

 
 
Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2016 05:34 am
'A Racist Is as a Racist Does'
... Montel Williams calls it like he sees it ...

“This false invitation for African-American representation in the Trump campaign has been equal to the false invitation for African-American participation, minority participation, in the Republican Party for the last 20 years” ...

“You cannot go back and now retract your statements and your past to try to say that you’re not what you have been” ...

... Williams, a longtime conservative, will be voting for Hillary Clinton in November — although he does not agree with all of Clinton’s actions ...

http://www.mycentraloregon.com/2016/08/26/montel-williams-blasts-donald-trump-a-racist-is-as-a-racist-does/
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2016 07:52 am
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When asked why he believes Trump’s direct appeal to the African-American community is false, Williams replied, “Are you kidding me? Seriously, do you really believe that



Notice he didn't answer the question.

Typical low-information voter... Gets his knowledge from 10 second soundbites on CNN..... Clinton News Network
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2016 03:35 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Montel is a military first kind of Conservative. I don't think he's ever gone beyond that in the Conservative movement so calling him a "longtime conservative" is a bit disingenuous. No actual conservative or Republican would be saying they are going to vote for Hillary. And any that say they are should no longer be considered a Republican. Including my own member of Congress, Richard Hannah. He is a bit of a hypocrite as were he running for re-election there is no way he'd be pro-Hillary. Fortunately for us, he is done running and leaving soon.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2016 10:00 pm
@McGentrix,
Except that a lot of anti-Trump conservative in Congress have said they are voting for Hillary, My 28 year vet of the CIA wife, who's also office holder in the Burnett county Women's Republican Club is voting for Hillary.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 07:21 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Except that a lot of anti-Trump conservative in Congress have said they are voting for Hillary, My 28 year vet of the CIA wife, who's also office holder in the Burnett county Women's Republican Club is voting for Hillary.


They can decide to not vote for Trump, that's acceptable. But, voting for Hillary should pretty much end their associating with the Republican party. If you don't like the party, get out. No one is twisting anyone's arm to stay.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 07:46 am
The first step to effectively counter racism is to start aknowledging its a natural social phenomena that affect us all. We are essentially tribal and xenophobic. When will we read honest people admitting to this before passing justicialistic judgmental criticism ? Only then we can have a serious debate about the topic...that including positive descrimination.
I have spend a good chunk of my adult life avoiding both positive and negative racial descrimination.
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 08:32 am
Bobsal.... are you related, by any chance to Thomas33?
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 08:40 am
@Miller,
He has many accounts
woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 10:25 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Why is it a false invitation? The fact is the inner cities have been run mainly by democrats for the past 30 years and nothing has changed in the lives of the many who live there.

Why not change?
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 11:01 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

But, voting for Hillary should pretty much end their associating with the Republican party. If you don't like the party, get out.

There are many different types of Republicans. There are internationalists and isolationists. Internationalists should be voting for Clinton. There is the racist wing and the more civil rights oriented wing. The latter should be voting for Clinton. There are capitalists and protectionists. Capitalists should be lining up behind Clinton. Trump doesn't represent all Republicans so why would you expect them to vote for him. All elections are like that. There are some people who vote for the candidates, not the party.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 11:06 am
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

Why is it a false invitation? The fact is the inner cities have been run mainly by democrats for the past 30 years

True
woiyo wrote:
... and nothing has changed in the lives of the many who live there.

False. The image Trump paints is the white supremacist view of black life. The reality is that the African American community has seen job growth, lower crime and more opportunity.
woiyo wrote:
Why not change?

To Trump? Because he's a racist who would become responsible for how the Justice Department pursues discrimination cases? Because Trump would likely appoint biased judges to district and regional courts? I can't see anyone who values granting equal opportunity to all Americans deciding that is a change they are willing to risk.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 11:58 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

woiyo wrote:
... and nothing has changed in the lives of the many who live there.

False. The image Trump paints is the white supremacist view of black life. The reality is that the African American community has seen job growth, lower crime and more opportunity.


Can you show me the interviews with someone from the black community talking about all the job growth, lower crime and opportunity's? Just a single interview, commentary, editorial... anything.
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 12:27 pm
@McGentrix,
How about a report with real data?

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Crime_in_2015_A_Final_Analysis.pdf

The report has fancy graphs and all sorts of data, but here is the conclusion.

Quote:
CONCLUSION
The data analyzed in this update support the initial report’s conclusion that Americans continue to experience low crime rates. The average person in a large urban area is safer walking down the street today than he or she would have been at almost any time in the past 30 years. That does not mean there is not variation across cities.
In some cities, murder is up. However, there is not yet sufficient evidence to conclude these levels will persist in the future or are part of a national trend.
Although headlines suggesting a coming crime wave make good copy, a look at the available data shows there is no evidence to support that claim.


Since we are talking Chicago, here is the murder rate over the last thirty or so years in Chicago.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Chicago_Murder_Rates.png

But what about New York? 2245 murders in 1990, 352 in 2015. Wow, that's a lot better. What about Los Angles? From Wikipedia:
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In 2013, Los Angeles reported 296 homicides in the city proper, which corresponds to a rate of 6.3 per 100,000 population—a notable decrease from 1980, when the all time homicide rate of 34.2 per 100,000 population was reported for the year.

Down from 34.2/100,000 in 1980 to 6.3 in 2013! Pretty impressive. What about that hotbed of democratic government and perennial crime rate leader Washington DC? 472 murders in 1990, 105 in 2014. The 2014 murder rate was the lowest since 1963.

Note that 2014 was the low point for urban murder, there was a slight uptick in 2015 and 2016 hasn't started well, but the trend over the last thirty years is tremendously positive all over the country despite what your white supremacist friends and Presidential candidate would have you believe.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 12:33 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

How about a report with real data?


No.

Find me an actual person from the black community telling us how things have gotten better. A leader, a commentator, a house mom, a spokesperson, someone that is actually from the black community.

Your being just a racist as what you accuse Trump of being. "Yeah, but look at these graphs!"
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 12:50 pm
@McGentrix,
I've read dozens in response to Trump's speech. Look them up if you want, they are out there.
McGentrix wrote:

Your being just a racist as what you accuse Trump of being. "Yeah, but look at these graphs!"

Living in the real world and looking at real data is somehow racist? I guess in Trump world it is. I suppose making up a vision of how minorities live that in no way reflects reality is not racist in your world. In Trump world, saying Trump is a racist gets back the kindergarten response, "No YOUR a racist". Trump is clearly racist, bigoted, misogynistic. Whether it is denying housing to minorities, tweeting false crime stats, attacks on judges with Mexican heritage, comments about women or people with disabilities, etc. it is hard to deny this guy has real problem with people who aren't white men. I guess he is ok with white women if they sit still and look pretty. A vote for putting the entire criminal justice system in his hands is by default a racist act. What do you get for that? A guy who changes his positions with the wind (except for being a racist, he is very consistent on that). Are you really willing to vote for a guy who fundamentally disavows the principles that we have as a country strived through the decades to achieve?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 01:49 pm
@engineer,
Trump is living in the real world and also looking at data. Do you think he just makes it up? I can get graphs and charts showing the exact opposite of what you are showing. It's all about how you massage the data. It's meaningless when you are talking about real lives.

I've asked you, or any of your compatriots decrying that Trump is wrong to show me where people in the black community are yelling from the rooftops about how much better their lives are now since Obama became President.

I will continue to wait, but I know I can wait all day and you will be unable to show me an example because it doesn't exist.
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 02:22 pm
On Views of Race and Inequality, Blacks and Whites Are Worlds Apart

From Pew Research Center. From what I gather, there has been improvement but not enough and most blacks feel the reason it is not enough has to do with discrimination and racial issues. I highly doubt Trump's visions has an answer for that.

The following is from Janell Ross, if you want to know her race, look it up, pretty sure she knows what she is talking about.

The Fix
About Donald Trump’s ‘black voter’ pitch …


She said
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stereotype-laden presidential-election-themed episode of the 1970s sitcom "Good Times."


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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 02:35 pm
@McGentrix,
This isn't popular here but the reason Bill Clinton was so successful as a President was that in reality he was a fair minded moderate pro business Republican. My problem with Hillary is her attitude of not having to explain herself and whats best for us. The only reason we did not get a single payer National Healthcare in Big Dog's first term was Hillary's smugness and fast speech.

This election cycle we need more of a Social Democrat than a supply side vulture capitalist

(Claiming that the US got two Presidents for the "price of one", really did not help, either.)

But that was then and this is now. I'm happily voting for Hillary Clinton if my only other real choice is tRump, Stein or Johnson.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 02:37 pm
@Miller,
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Bobsal.... are you related, by any chance to Thomas33?


I dunno .......
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2016 02:42 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Trump is living in the real world and also looking at data. Do you think he just makes it up?

Yes, clearly Trump just makes it up. When he tweets that 82% of white murders are committed by blacks, he made it up (or retweeted something that someone else made up.) When he says of Kaine "He also oversaw a huge increase in illegal immigration, a tremendous increase," he is making it up since it has been pretty constant. When he says about Clinton "She wants to raise taxes on African-American owned businesses to as much as nearly 50 percent more than they're paying now", that is completely made up.
McGentrix wrote:
I can get graphs and charts showing the exact opposite of what you are showing. It's all about how you massage the data. It's meaningless when you are talking about real lives.

Bullshit. The data reflects real life, real deaths, real crimes. Your anecdotal data represents the bubble you live in. But if you believe this, go for it. Spin real crime stats from New York or Los Angles or Chicago to show me how crime has gotten worse in the last thirty years. You can use 1990 or 1980 instead of 1986 if that helps.
McGentrix wrote:
I've asked you, or any of your compatriots decrying that Trump is wrong to show me where people in the black community are yelling from the rooftops about how much better their lives are now since Obama became President.

Yeah, and I looked it up and got a bunch of hits, but unless you research it yourself, you are going to continue to live in your world where you believe what I say is spun and twisted, so try looking it up yourself. It's not that hard, but you have to leave Trumpland to do it. I will leave you with a quote from one of those articles I found, this one describing Cohen's attempt to defend Trump.
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“When they say that Donald Trump has a 1 percent favorability amongst the African-American community, I know from my own interactions that that number is absolutely and unequivocally inaccurate. I speak on a weekly basis to more than 100 African-American evangelical preachers who are all committed to ensuring Donald Trump becomes the next president of the United States. ... Unanimously, these African-American evangelical preachers all acknowledge that Donald Trump is colorblind when it comes to race and is only interested in ensuring that all Americans have the opportunity to thrive and achieve the American dream.”

Cohen’s brazenness, too, is an old lesson-plan from the code book of racism: The few blacks you talk to, who tell you they agree with you, outweigh studies, surveys and polls, demonstrations and all the other voluminous evidence of what the opinion of the mass of black Americans really is. In the decades before Jim Crow fell the Southern segregationists and their Northern fellow travelers played this dirty game all the time.


Is that really a game you want to play?
 

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