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origin of species

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 06:53 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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If you like. In my concept of God, he's not capable of mistakes we are capable of detecting.


If God is responsible for creating human beings, I can see several places where God made mistakes.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 08:06 am
@farmerman,
I'd read that before but thanks, it brought back the thought I had then. In refuting Behe's charge of a 'just so' story, he tells another just so story.

I don't say these various mutations can't happen and in the sequence specified, but it's all about the odds farmer. If I had .0001 % of the luck claimed for evolution, I'd be in Vegas.

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The dust heap of history (IMHO) awaits this entire [ID] movement unless someone comes up with actual phtos of the deity


That was beautiful, but history in on the other side. You can't stamp out reality just because you don't have a picture of it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 08:57 am
@Leadfoot,
youre completely daft. Behe's explanation was based on his understanding of the enzymaticcascade. YOU ARE DENYING the evidence that he was selectively dismissing the fact that vertebrate blood clotting can be traced BY SCIENCE to see the evolution of these enzymes from difestive fluids.

Hardly a "just so" story. Thats the problem that ID/Creationism has , its a total contradiction of provable evidence.
You have to begin discussing data and evidence and not merely engaging at how Im mistreting you.

cmon, science up, or GFY. Your becoming boring, What happened to some real opponents in this discussion .
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 09:17 am
@farmerman,
Did you actually read what I said? Just in case not, here it is again:

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I don't say these various mutations can't happen and in the sequence specified, but it's all about the odds farmer. If I had .0001 % of the luck claimed for evolution, I'd be in Vegas.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 10:28 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I'm not annoyed, i'm just not going to knuckle under to that BS the theists peddle. I'm not sure why that annoys you.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 12:38 pm
@Setanta,
Well then perhaps you should direct your defiance towards some who might actually be trying to get you to knuckle under to what they are expressing. I cannot have been clearer that I seek no converts.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 01:05 pm
@maxdancona,
I know you are trying to be amusing with this but it also is part of the "Innocents suffer so therefore there can be no God" argument you've advanced in the past

It presumes that if there is a God and he created humans he would have made them perfect representations of what humans perceive as perfection. Not to mention that he would have had to created an idyllic existence for them.

I don't think that paternalistic view, is a particularly sophisticated argument against the existence of God. It may be all you feel you need to address certain expressed beliefs about the nature of God, but surely you realize that there are more than one belief or theory, or just sense of God's nature.

Besides, theologians who share a paternalistic view of God, have been countering the argument nicely for hundreds of years if not thousands. I don't expect to see any of them turn up in this forum; on this thread though.

You are not required to disprove the existence of God, but if you are going to attempt to, your arguments should not be so easily countered.







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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 01:37 pm
@Leadfoot,
You dont understand the "House advantage" do you? Thats why Vegas controls its games and does NOT allow things like counting. odds not favoring the housew are viciously controlled.
Think of volution as the "Business plan" of life on earth.


Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 03:27 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I'm not defying anyone. You peddled some bullsh*t, and i've responded to it--several times now, as you seem to think you have some divine right to get the last word. People who make claims have a burden of proof, no one is obliged to disprove them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Get over it.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 04:09 pm
A conscious god would interfere somewhere, but no evidence that one does. A non conscious god running the universe with no noticeable magical influence would simply be a universe running with no god. In short, no god fits in the scheme of things.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 05:00 pm
@farmerman,
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You dont understand the "House advantage" do you? Thats why Vegas controls its games and does NOT allow things like counting. odds not favoring the housew are viciously controlled.

Sure I do. This 'house' is so rigged for life that you'd be crazy not to think there was a lot of design/control behind it :-)
perennialloner
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2016 09:00 pm
@rosborne979,
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Darwin does write with some flowery language doesn't he. But he's not trying to push for the idea of a "Creator", except possibly at the "Nature is God" level of things.

If I had to guess, I would say that his language is an attempt to soften the blow (of the implications he's delivering) to the theocracy of his day.


do you think he was atheist, then?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2016 05:01 am
@Leadfoot,
OK if that works for you, the Design" of the world, like the casinos advantage, is based primarily on the affinities that specific compounds have for bonding sites and bonding means.
IDers are fond of saying that
"pre biotic chemicals ere formed because the Creator dsigned em that way."

Yet after all these years weve learned how an individual molecule will react in a specific environment an THEN, weve been able to discover these very environments and are able to HYPOTHESIZE how these chemicals resulted in life. Its kinda "in the way" to constantly be drug around by some myths while we are trying (at least most of us) to discover the physical chemitry of the living state.

Im outta here for a few weeks.

ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2016 07:10 am
@farmerman,
Have a good time, or at least a good work experience..
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:46 pm
@edgarblythe,
Not necessarily, and how do we know he hasn't. I'm not arguing he has, but how would we know?
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