THe Church established by using the Bible as a secular document

Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2016 02:34 pm
Fr William Most made this argument
FACT 1: There was a man called Jesus.
FACT 2: He claimed to be a messenger sent by God.
FACT 3: He did enough to prove that He was such a messenger.
Now the mere fact of working miracles would not prove that Jesus was a messenger sent from God. It is probable that God at times worked miracles even for good pagans. But Jesus often appealed to His miracles as proof of His mission and teaching (see, among these, Matthew 11:2-5, Luke 7:20-22, Mark 2:9-11). Now God is the ultimate source of the miraculous power; but He, being Truth, cannot provide such power as proof of a falsehood. So Jesus' claims were proved true. In fact, He proved that He could even forgive sins. A most remarkable messenger!
FACT 4: Crowds followed Christ. But He had an inner circle to whom He spoke more intimately. This is merely what we would expect.
FACT 5: He told His followers to continue His teaching.
FACT 6: Jesus gave the message that God would protect that teaching: "He who hears you hears me; he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me" (Luke 10:16).

In summary then, we see a group that is commissioned to teach by a messenger sent by God, and promised God's protection for that teaching. These observations are made without treating the Scriptures as inspired.
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mark noble
Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 09:30 am
The narrative is redundant.
The message is CLEAR.
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Reply Sat 16 Jul, 2016 09:57 am
All of these facts are equally true about David Koresh and Sung Yung Moon.
Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2016 11:03 am
Both people you quoted have denied that !!!
Moon based his mission on Jesus' mission though he asserted that Jesus had failed.
Koresh claimed to have the gift of prophecy but it was never verified (that I know of) by anyone outside the Branch Davidians.

You seem to be in thick-as-syrup darkness.
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mark noble
Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2016 11:32 am
Fact - There is no evidence that proves Jesus existed.
Fact - Every other fact you state is built upon your 1st 'false premise.
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