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Catholic remarried couples should abstain from sex

 
 
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 10:05 am
@chai2,
Quote:
How would they check if an Hasidic Jew ate Maryland Crab Cakes?

By the mischievous smile. In the following picture we can tell which man has eaten the crab cakes and we can see the looks of disapproval and dismay from the others.

https://www.wolna-polska.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/a236.jpg
Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 10:19 am
I see that the Salvation Army, while being very strict on gambling, drinking and smoking, allows divorce and remarriage.

Quote:
Jesus taught that divorce is failure (Mark 10:2-12; Matthew 19:3-12). Salvationists believe, however, that his attitude to those caught up in marital strife would never be anything but loving and compassionate.

Therefore, The Salvation Army, while defending vigorously the ongoing relevance of God’s will for men and women in relation to marriage, recognises the reality that some marriages fail and is willing, under God, to offer counsel and succour to couples so affected.

Where remarriage could lead to the healing of emotional wounds, the Army will permit its officers to perform a marriage ceremony for a divorced person. Sound doctrine with practical mercy are the hallmarks of the Salvationist’s approach to marital and emotional strife.

The Salvation Army reasserts that the strengthening and encouragement of the institution of marriage remains an essential pre-condition for sound family life which is, in turn, crucial to a stable society.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 10:30 am
@Tes yeux noirs,
So Tes, what's your point in all this?

Different religion, different rules.

If you don't like how the Catholics do this, don't be one.

chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 10:40 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis, a favorite clip from Radio Days.



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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 10:41 am
@Sturgis,
https://www.wolna-polska.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/a236.jpg
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Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 10:44 am
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
So Tes, what's your point in all this?

I haven't got a "point", really, except that I find comparisons between religions and between the different sects of each faith interesting. I once read an "Ask the Rabbi" problem in the UK Jewish Chronicle (each query is answered by an Orthodox and a Reform rabbi). The question was "Can I sit shivah for my beloved pet horse?". Orthodox: No! Reform: Why not?

chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 11:54 am
@Tes yeux noirs,
Oh. ok.

I was just wondering if you knew this news item isn't any different from what I essentially was taught back in the 1960's in grade school

Catholics can remarry if they are widowed, or there's an annulment. It makes sense that if you're divorced you can co-habitat but not have intercourse.

Also, in general, you can't make the assumption that everyone has identical sex drives at any given time in their lives.

I'm sure there's a significant number of people of all ages that would be fine with such an arrangment, regardless of their religion, or lack of.

Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 12:10 pm
@chai2,
Yes, there isn't anything in this story that hasn't been said for decades. I personally don't agree with a church peering into people's bedrooms and condemning consensual sex between adults. I think there is an element of distaste for the flesh here.

I remember hearing a woman priest in the Church of England (Episcopalian) saying that she once talked with a very holy very sweet old male CofE priest who said that in many ways he was in favour the ordination of women but he was worried about how a woman priest would 'profane' the altar by going too close to it while she was having her period.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 12:52 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
Well, you can look at what is written as doctrine, and what people do in real life.

Catholic women use birth control at the same rate as any other group, and have about the same number of births overall. Gone are the days of the large family.

Most recent data says that 28% of women getting abortions identify as Catholic. The divorce rate is about the same as anyone else too.

Adults aren't really letting the church into their private lives.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 01:01 pm
Catlicks are like lawyers with a don't ask don't tell attitude. When i was a kid, it would be: "Bless me, Father, for i have sinned. It has been one week since my last confession. Uh . . . i ate a hotdog last Friday, and . . . uh . . . i had impure thoughts." I didn't tell him i ate meat just about every Friday, and that i would act on my impure thoughts any time i could. It wasn't his business. He didn't ask, i didn't tell.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 01:33 pm
@Setanta,
I remember hearing M. Night Shyamalan being interviewed on a radio talk show.

He was sent to Catholic school by his parents, even though they were Hindu. They thought he could get a better education there.

At one point he learned that anyone who wasn't baptised in the church was going to hell. The other kids stared at him and he was understandably upset. That is, until the nun leaned in and whispered to him "Not really".

I love that.

mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 03:00 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
Catholics should do what the papacy wants.
Non-catholics should do as they please (Consentual-adults) that is.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 03:04 pm
@mark noble,
Why?

Catholics have more or less always done what they wanted in the bedroom. Why should they change now?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 03:05 pm
Is this rule similar to "no meat on Fridays?"
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 03:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
lol.

We used to follow that rule when I was a kid.

I lived at a marina, and we had all the fresh tuna, swordfish, striped bass, crabs etc. we wanted. Boy, we suffered.

Did you know that at one catholic church declared beavers, iguanas and capybaras fish for dietary purposes?

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mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 03:21 pm
@chai2,
If you attach yourself to a 'prescription-based' doctrine - Do so 'entirely'!
Or detach yourself from it 'entirely'.
Or live 'pretentiously' in between.

What else can I add?
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 03:39 pm
@chai2,
If I remember - this was a long time ago - the non baptized would be going to Limbo - trying to picture that in my mind. We see plenty of drawings or paintings or long poems of Heaven or Hell and Purgatory but I don't remember seeing any about Limbo.

Why am I capitalizing these words? maybe in some weird nostalgia.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 03:40 pm
@mark noble,
Oh please.

Have you read the other posts about what catholics do in real life?

If catholics were following doctrine, they'd still be having families with children in the double digits.

I think they've all figured out that when they hear "be fruitful and multiply" they realize that's already been done, and the burdens not on them.

Catholic men and women use artificial birth control at about the same rate, and catholic women get abortions at about the same rate as people of any other, or no faith.

They're not being pretentious, they're being smart and controlling their own bodies.

The first thing any woman from a poor country does when offered the opportunity and means to control their own bodies, is to reduce the the number of children they have. Strangely enough, the economy of that country shortly thereafter improves.
mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 03:47 pm
@chai2,
I'm not judging catholics - I'm just relaying my views about commitment to a cause.
I don't care what consenting adults commit to - As long as it avoids my doorstep.
But - If you choose to pursue a doctrine - Do so, entirely, or not at all.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2016 04:11 pm
@mark noble,
Then you need to state those are simply your views, and not talk as if they are doctrines in their own right.

The RCC is not a "cause" it's a cult or institution (depending on your view) that would rather see people stupidly and blindly following archaic and downright harmful notions rather than have any aspirations of their own.

To anyone interested, I had started a thread a little while back about a Netflix documentary called "The Vasectomist" Look past the somewhat awkward production, and you'll see some really good stuff.

Here's the trailer.

I love how in the middle of looking around a strongly catholic nation, with children literally digging through garbage for food, we have a priest saying that if you allow a vasectomy, you'll soon be allowing abortions, because they are on the same continuum.



Dr. Stein is clear on making the point during the documentary that while providing them to people in lands that are hugely impoverished and vastly overpopulated is important, it's more important for the planet for 1st world countries to have 1 less child.

I've long known you can live as carefully as possible, recycling, reducing, but nothing will lessen a carbon footprint more than not having an additional child.

Those are not just views, they are facts.
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