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Did the first Americans come from Australia?

 
 
Col Man
 
Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 01:03 pm
EXETER (Reuters) - Anthropologists have stepped into a hornets' nest, revealing research that suggests the original inhabitants of America may in fact have come from what is now known as Australia.


The claim will be extremely unwelcome to today's native Americans who came overland from Siberia and say they were there first.


But Silvia Gonzalez from John Moores University in Liverpool said skeletal evidence pointed strongly to this unpalatable truth and hinted that recovered DNA would corroborate it.


"This is very contentious," Gonzalez, a Mexican, said with a smile at the annual meeting of the British association for the Advancement of Science on Monday. "They (native Americans) cannot claim to have been the first people there."


She said there was very strong evidence that the first migration came from Australia via Japan and Polynesia and down the Pacific Coast of America.


Skulls of a people with distinctively long and narrow heads discovered in Mexico and California predated by several thousand years the more rounded features of the skulls of native Americans.


One particularly well preserved skull of a long-face woman had been carbon dated to 12,700 years ago, whereas the oldest accurately dated native American skull was only about 9,000 years old.


"We have extracted her DNA. It is going to be a bomb," she said, declining to give details but adding that the tests carried out so far were being replicated to make sure they were accurate.


She said there were tales from Spanish missionaries of an isolated coastal community of long-face people in Baja California of a completely different race and rituals from other communities in America at the time.


These last survivors were wiped out by diseases imported by the Spanish conquerors, Gonzalez said.


The research is one of 11 different projects in America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East being funded over a four-year period by Britain's Natural Environment Research Council.


The projects, focusing on diet, dating and dispersal of people down the millennia in the face of climate change, aim to rewrite anthropology.


"We want to make headlines from heads," said Professor Clive Gamble of Southampton university. "DNA will give us a completely new map of the world and how we peopled it."

link : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040906/80/f20be.html
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littlek
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 01:50 pm
interesting.
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Col Man
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 01:55 pm
Very Happy
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littlek
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 01:57 pm
I knew there was disparity between skeletal finds of late and the convential theories about the arrival of the amerinds. But, I thought the theory of the new finds was that they were from the S Pacific isles. I guess Australia is a S P Isle of a sort.
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Col Man
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 02:52 pm
ive seen programs on the discovery channel of evidence that a vast seafaring nation existed around 10-12,000 years ago and that they sailed all over the world
so maybe they were based in oz but i did hear that most of the evidence was found in south america
hmm my memory fails me now as to the exact details
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 03:02 pm
Thanks for posting this, Col Man!


Speaking of Discovery Channel - there article about this seems a bit more informative than the Reuter's one :wink:



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Study: Native Americans Weren't the First
By Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News


Sept. 6, 2004 ?- DNA analysis of skulls found in Baja California that belonged to an extinct tribe called the Pericues reveal that the Pericues likely were not related to Native Americans and that they probably predated Native Americans in settling the Americas, according to an announcement Monday.

The finding, released at the British Association for the Advancement of Science (BA) Festival of Science in Exeter, England, adds support to the theory that a number of groups arrived in the Americas via different routes and at varying times, possibly as early as 25,000 years ago.

The study also suggests that the two oldest known Americans ?- Peñon woman and Kennewick Man ?- might have belonged to the Pericues tribe.

Even before the DNA analysis, Silvia Gonzalez, lead author of the study and a geoarchaeologist from Liverpool John Moores University, noticed that the Pericues skulls were long and narrow, as opposed to the more broad and round features found in early Native American skulls.

"Because of their skull morphology, long and narrow (dolicocephalic) the Pericues could be related to the oldest Americans known, which are Peñon Woman in the Basin of Mexico at 12,755 before the present, and Kennewick Man at 9,700 years old," Gonzalez told Discovery News just before Monday’s announcement.

"Hence, if this was true, they would be older than the Native Indians. The oldest dated Pericue material is only 3,000 years before the present, although there are cave paintings in Baja California dated to 7,500 BP and Clovis points that must be 11,000-11,500 years old."

The genetic study suggests that the Pericues did not originate in Northern Asia, where many experts believe Native Americans first came from. Instead, Gonzalez said the Pericues are closer to the ancient populations of southern Asia, Australia, and the South Pacific Rim.

The surprising link to early Australasian-Melanesian people could mean that the first Americans arrived in the New World in some kind of floating craft that traveled over the Pacific Ocean.

"A coastal Pacific migration route is possible," Gonzalez said.

She explained that the Pericues were a hunter-gatherer society that lived on shellfish, fish, cacti and other plants in the desert area of Baja California. Objects found in the area suggest that the Pericues used stone tools.

Gonzalez indicated that they had a complex burial system involving mortuary-like burial areas located both along the coast and in caves. She said they also used wooden spear throwers, and likely painted bones with red ochre, as early decorated shells and pearls have been found in Baja.

"The missionary descriptions indicated that the men were naked and the women wore grass skirts, and they were very tall and slim," Gonzalez added. "They became extinct during the 18th century due to the lifestyle changes imposed by the missionaries to a sedentary way of life."

Chris Stringer, head of human origins at The Natural History Museum London, told Discovery News, "This work is very important in adding further weight to the idea that the first inhabitants of the Americas did not resemble present-day Native Americans.

"These finds are physically distinct and some Mexican fossils have been dated close to the earliest known human occupation of the Americas," he said.

He added, "However, it is difficult to trace their point of origin as people 10,000 or 20,000 years ago did not look like their modern counterparts in many parts of the world, including Africa, Europe, and China.

"It is likely that southeast Asia 20,000 years ago was inhabited by people who more closely resembled present-day Polynesians or Australian aborigines so this could indeed be a source for the first Americans. They could have taken a coastal route to get there around the North Pacific Rim ?- it seems unlikely that they came directly across the Pacific."

Silvia Gonzalez believes several migrations took place, with people coming from North East Siberia, the Western Pacific, and even from Europe.

So far, the fossil database in the Americas, beyond the more recent Native American finds, has proven to be quite sparse, perhaps due to weather-related erosion of remains. Gonzalez hopes future DNA studies, craniometrics (skull analysis), and additional evidence will shed more light on the Pericues and other early Americans.
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 03:03 pm
I saw this on google news this morning. There were remains discoverd in the Northwest a few years ago, but the native Indians of the area demanded it be returned for proper burial, so DNA tests were never done.

It will be interesting to follow this since there is, presumably, DNA evidence proving the theory. I also wonder how native Americans will deal with it if it proves to be true. To me, it doesn't seem to make any difference, as native Americans developed an enduring civilization. Are their religious myths so strong that they leave no room for other explorers so long ago? Interesting.
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Col Man
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 03:07 pm
nice one walter Wink Very Happy
now why didnt i think of looking at the discovery website... Smile
but hey, i have you to help me Very Happy
yeah real interesting stuff for me too this Very Happy
glad too be of service Wink
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 03:15 pm
damn and all along I thought it was Brigham Young that discovered america with a map he found on some gold tablets that were written in an alien language no one else could read. I am shattered. I am, of course, still operating under the asumption the Utah is the center of the universe (as we know it)
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margo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 09:50 pm
littlek wrote:
I guess Australia is a S P Isle of a sort.


Lil K - this is THE South Pacific island of choice (not of a sort! tut tut!)
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littlek
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2004 09:59 pm
Not 'of a sort' simply because it is considered at least a psuedocontinent.
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2004 09:45 am
Littlek, are feeling wild and reckless today? With all the Aussies on a2k, you might want to consider hiding out for the next few days until they onto another subject!!
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fortune
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2004 11:12 am
Psuedocontinent?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2004 11:37 am
Well, subcontinent to be precise.

But: upside down, this might be "psuedo" :wink:
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margo
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2004 11:46 pm
Rubbish!

We're an island, a continent, and a country! All good things rolled together!
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2004 12:54 am
Yes! Very Happy
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