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WHO is the TRUE God ?

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FBM
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2015 04:30 am
@manden,
I'm glad you admit it. Wink
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2015 11:49 am
@manden,
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It seems nobody here is able to understand
Oh I think I do. Den, you're saying that Her creation is the only evidence we need of Her existence, that it's intuitive, and as an apodictical existential pantheist I'd agree

I can't see, however, why other religions' or philosophies' postulates can't be

Especially mine
manden
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2015 12:48 pm
@dalehileman,
Pantheist is wrong .
Out of the EXISTENCE of the real creator of the universe -
MORE OF HIM IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE -
follows logically :
we must treat his creation as well as possible - live in real harmony with it .

THAT IS ALL - you must only recognize at the existence of the universe that
the (real) creator really exists !
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2015 01:58 pm
@manden,
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Pantheist is wrong
Okay Den but how

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...you must only recognize at the existence of the universe that
the (real) creator really exists !


Yes we pantheists agree She does exist. However as I interpret your assertions, Den, She is one thing and the Universe is the other; called dualism. However for reasons I've touched upon it entails contradiction and paradox

For instance if She created time, how could She have been around before the Universe

Therefore we're also called monists, entailing no such anomaly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monism


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follows logically : we must treat his creation as well as possible - live in real harmony with it
We don't have much choice do we
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2015 10:58 pm
@dalehileman,
I want yoo hoo hoo, to show me the way.....ergo Peter Townsend is the TRUE God.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2015 11:45 pm
@glitterbag,
Sure that's not Peter Frampton? Wink
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2015 11:59 pm
@FBM,
Well, its a little late, I'm getting groggy (woo hoo) so you might be right. I'll research it tomorrow. I'm still leaning toward Townsend.
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2015 12:13 am
@glitterbag,
This is what I was thinking of:

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manden
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2015 01:47 am
@dalehileman,
MORE OF HIM IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE !
And you want to recognize something , what is not recognizable !
Do you think you can grasp an unimaginable superior logic (and thinking) ?
That is megalomania !
And what we have to do W E can recognize with OUR reason , logic and moral :
Out of the EXISTENCE of the (real) creator of the universe follows logically :
we must learn to treat his creation as well as possible - learn to live in real
harmony with his creation - men and nature !
This the ONLY way for the mankind , of course !
Your problem and that of almost the whole mankind is , you are not able
to recognize , that the real creator of the universe really exists !
(and then you cannot really do what we have to do)
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2015 11:30 am
@glitterbag,
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show me the way
Okay Glit, but how...
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2015 11:38 am
@manden,
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MORE OF HIM IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE !And you want to recognize something , what is not recognizable !
Okay but what am I recognizing that I shouldn't

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Do you think you can grasp an unimaginable superior logic (and thinking) ?
Only vaguely

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... follows logically :... to treat his creation as well as possible -... in real
harmony with his creation.... the ONLY way... !
Sure, why not, Den

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Your problem ...not able ...to recognize , that...creator of the universe really exists !
Oh but She does. It's just that I don't see Her as a separate entity from the Universe

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(and then you cannot really do what we have to do)
And pray, Den, what is that
anthonypameladp
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2015 11:51 am
Everyone seems to have an opinion on this matter. It's interesting what the bible says on this matter. The existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator. The Bible says: “Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.” (Hebrews 3:4) Although this logic is simple, many well-educated people find it to be powerful. Also at Romans 1:20 it says "For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable." Here are just a few points to think about.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2015 11:56 am
@anthonypameladp,
Tony, by chance were you addressing me, and if so should I respond, and if so, how

Thanks kindly
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manden
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2015 11:57 am
@dalehileman,
What I can see , is , that you have not recognized that the real creator of the
universe exists .
And you can speak t o the real creator - I do not call that pray ( and you
cannot expect that something happens ) .
manden
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2015 12:01 pm
@anthonypameladp,
The bible is NOT the WORD of the true God , it is human invention and
imagination . It is a false way with a false God . Since 3500/2000 years
no progress for this mankind .
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2015 02:12 pm
@manden,
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What I can see, is, that you have not recognized that the real creator of the universe exists .
She certainly exists, Den: Look around. At risk of repetition, however, I don't see how Creation is even necessary if She's been around forever

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And you can speak to the real creator - I do not call that pray
That's because we have slightly different ideas about who/what He/She/It is

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(and you cannot expect that something happens ) .
Yes, no, Den, the prayer isn't always answered
manden
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 01:42 am
@dalehileman,
Creation was NOT forever , it was created !

Because you have not yet recognized , what the creator is : the creator of the
universe - MORE OF HIM IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE !

if there is an answer of your prayer , you CANNOT RECOGNIZE it !
You never can say that there was an answer !
dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 11:17 am
@manden,
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Creation was NOT forever , it was created !
But Den how can you be so sure

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Because you have not yet recognized , what the creator is : the creator of the
universe
Oh Den but I do "recognize" your position, it's very common

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- MORE OF HIM IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE !
I suppose you mean that's all She did. Okay, but you haven't supported your assertion with an sort of evidence. One would suppose if She's capable of creating Universes She'd stick around and make an adjustment once in a while

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if there is an answer of your prayer , you CANNOT RECOGNIZE it !
No offense Den but as an esl you might find some of us confounded by your claims. Johnny recognizes it as an answer if it satisfies some sort of request implied by his prayer
manden
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 11:53 am
@dalehileman,
The science knows that the universe developed .
My position very rare . I know nobody else .
We only can know that he is the real creator of the universe . And as far as I know , nobody else really knows it .
Your imagination and fantasy is far away from true .
dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 12:22 pm
@manden,
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The science knows that the universe developed
I never said it didn't; the Big Bang is a pretty convincing theory. However, we pantheists maintain that things don't end with the Big Dispersal

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My position very rare
No offense Den, but also a bit difficult to comprehend

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Your imagination and fantasy is far away from true
Okay Den but how and in what respect
 

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