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Who knows that the (real) creator of the universe exists ,

 
 
manden
 
Reply Thu 10 Dec, 2015 11:46 am
certainly needs N O religion ! ! !
 
dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 10 Dec, 2015 12:12 pm
@manden,
In a sense Den I'd agree; Because almost any complex object in our limited experience had been created, we assign the term also to the Universe, certainly the most complex thing we've yet encountered

So even those of us having the most remote religious leanings might cling to an instinctual, intuitive sense of Creation. But as I had said above, golly knows how many times, why does It even hafta be created

I'm supposing with the buildup of knowledge and expansion of our reasoning power, if we don't get wiped out in the meantime by war or disease, it might become apparent that the Universe is proving to be necessary, that is, a natural phenomenon

The apodictical existential pantheist, however, will maintain this doesn't mean there's no God, only that She has existed forcever, the Universe Her body and all the activity therein her thinking; more and more apparent that any rejection of our concept leads to one or more contradictions or paradoxes

So, Den how have I gone wrong....
manden
 
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Reply Thu 10 Dec, 2015 12:21 pm
@dalehileman,
The simple logic is :
out of the existence of the (real) creator of the universe follows ,
that we must treat his creation as well as possible , of course .
With other words : we must learn to live in real harmony with his creation .

The religions are useless and harmful , nothing else !
dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 10 Dec, 2015 12:48 pm
@manden,
I'm not sure the exact term, Den, 'cause my Thesaurus link is down, but it might be Antanaclasis, saying the same thing in different words, or making an unwarranted assumption

Help me somebody

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of the existence of the (real) creator of the universe follows ,
that we must treat his creation as well as possible
...the assumption of course, being that the Universe was created, for which you provide no evidence
manden
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 02:26 am
@dalehileman,
can't you see that my statement is 100% true or don't you want to see it ?
Then I cannot help you and almost all of this mankind .
Okay , you cannot recognize at the existence of the universe that the (real)
creator of the universe really exists ( the reason is : you and almost the whole
mankind are too bad people - try to become a better man - do what we have
to do : try to treat his creation - men and nature - as well as possible .
With other words : try to learn to live in real harmony (loving , responsible ,
sharing) with his creation - men and nature .
Also when this in this bad world is only a little possible , do your best !)
But you can recognize that that what I say that we have to do , is RIGHT !
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 02:53 am
@manden,
manden wrote:

The simple logic is :
out of the existence of the (real) creator of the universe follows ,
...


Whoa, there, Kemo Sabe. You need to justify that claim before you can start celebrating in the end zone. Why should we accept your claim that the universe was created?
manden
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 03:23 am
@FBM,
I wrote it already . People who are too bad (almost the whole mankind)
cannot understand .
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 03:34 am
@manden,
Yes, you keep writing it over and over and over again without ever providing any reason for anyone to think that it's true.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 04:21 am
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/12345522_797466430359176_7672339968123653839_n.jpg
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manden
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 07:09 am
@FBM,
You must improve - you are a too bad man .
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manden
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 07:10 am
@FBM,
You must improve - you are a too bad man .
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 07:15 am
@manden,
You must improve your reasoning and logic if you are going to represent and spread your beliefs to rational people. If your god exists, I'm betting that it would be disappointed in your efforts so far.
manden
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 07:21 am
@FBM,
I must not improve , you must improve (and very much) .
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 07:39 am
@manden,
manden wrote:

I must not improve , you must improve (and very much) .


Oh, chosen master, please reveal the irrefutable evidence that you have that proves your creator exists. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/bow_1.gif
manden
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 07:59 am
@FBM,
You have to recognize it yourself .
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 08:08 am
@manden,
manden wrote:

You have to recognize it yourself .


So your claims are a waste of time. Only pathologically gullible people blindly believe anything any random internet persona claims. If you don't have evidence, you don't have anything. No sale. Insert another quarter and try again.
manden
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 08:12 am
@FBM,
all said .
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2015 08:14 am
@manden,
manden wrote:

all said .


Nothing said, really. Just "I believe!!! You must believe!!!" over and over and over again.
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