ok thanks cav im glad you see it that way <phew>
you are the great person i think you are

and i really do think your a great guy and this isnt a gay thing ok
all my life ive had judaism pushed in my face by people who consider themselves to be morally superior because of it and i find it a bit offensive and hurtful, its self destructive for a start and gets everyone elses back up...
dont get me wrong ive had the same from fundamentalist christians and muslims too and to some degree the buddhists i have known
so im not just pointing the finger at one subset... am i ?
like ive said before in this thread we are all indentified with being something..but we are all part of a greater whole
my fatjher circumcised my brother but thankfully when it came to me he had become disillusioned with religion and i didnt get the brises
im glad because it freed me from all that but all i have to do if i want to go back is go see a rabbi, slip him some cash and hed make me jewish too

then again i could convert to islam

hmm i wonder

no i prefer to be non religious. simply spiritual ... hassle free

hehe
one of my girlfriends is jewish or considers herself to be and technically by the book she is..shes was born in argentina but has spent most of her life in israel in ashdod which if you dont know is just north of tel aviv and a bit south of haifa on the coast
so she is definately taken by the meshua

she tells me stories that there are people who are not jewish, who pretend to be, who come to israel because of the 'right of return' thing and they becomw 'jews' thank to a rabbi doing his bit and then they go around telling everyone else what it is to be jewish!... crazy
because she was born in argentina, her mother, who is called marta called her maria and when she in israel she gets hassle off the israelis who tell her she cant be a real jew with a name like maria! more crazyness...
and in argentina she gets hassle because her last name is goldstein cos she cant be a christian with a name like that ...
oh people people....why are you people.....oh no..no no no no
ive been to synagogue with maria and to be honest i found the service in synagogue better than the services ive been to in christian churches
i had a couple of lessons learning hebrew but i couldnt get my head round it anyway its only useful in israel and until all the trouble is over i dont intend to be going there so i havent made an effort to learn it more than a couple of lessons
maybe one day all learn more
i really love the kabbalah, all different versions of ,it ive studied it a lot and i agree that the hollywood trend is a false image thing but as i read recently in some writing by some rabbi that god taught it to the gentiles too and its all part of his great plan to bring us all together
mitzvah my friend is a great word and so is teshuvah

we all need some
of that
i love spirituality too or esoteric ways of seeing everything as a whole
life is after all one big huge conciousness thing
i really believe that we can all live together and see that all this we see ourselves as can be brought together in harmony as opposed to a thing used to divide us
really theres too much suffering pain and hate in the world lets all love each other for what we have in common and stop fighting over what we have in difference
ahhhh its so easy to say
peace and love