Should we Still Celebrate Columbus Day?

Youve made it sound as if warring tribes and large scale conquests were unknown to the"Civilized" Old World

I dont feel bad for the indians at all, they had chances to integrate with their betters. They were aware that they were expected to drop their primitive ways, they were to learn the ways of civilized men, but they largely refused. It was their poor choices that condemned them, or maybe they were just too dumb to get on with what they needed to do.

hawkeye10 wrote:

I dont feel bad for the indians at all, they had chances to integrate with their betters. They were aware that they were expected to drop their primitive ways, they were to learn the ways of civilized men, but they largely refused. It was their poor choices that condemned them, or maybe they were just too dumb to get on with what they needed to do.

I'm sorry, but I have to speak out. This is sick. Morally, spiritually, and psychologically sick. Very sick. I'd get into trouble with my own professed principles if I said any more; so, I'll not make any more comments.

It was good for Native Americans to have their ways of life crushed and their land taken, just like to them it was probably good for blacks that they got brought here as slaves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_the_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

Slavery among the indigenous peoples of the Americas took many forms throughout North and South America. Slavery was a common institution among various Pre-Columbian indigenous peoples of the Americas;

http://www.troynovant.com/Franson/Keeley/War-Before-Civilization.html

Pre-Columbian Indian village slaughter
Here's one of Keeley's striking examples from pre-Columbian North America:

In some regions of the American Southwest, the violent destruction of prehistoric settlements is well documented and during some periods was even common. ...

For example, the large pueblo at Sand Canyon in Colorado, although protected by a defensive wall, was almost entirely burned; artifacts in the rooms had been deliberately smashed; and bodies of some victims were left lying on the floors. After this catastrophe in the late thirteenth century, the pueblo was never reoccupied.

Another, from the upper Midwest:

Contrary to Brian Ferguson's claim that such [inter-tribal] slaughters were a consequence of contact with modern European or other civilizations, archaeology yields evidence of prehistoric massacres more severe than any recounted in ethnography. For example, at Crow Creek in South Dakota, archaeologists found a mass grave containing the remains of more than 500 men, women, and children who had been slaughtered, scalped, and mutilated during an attack on their village a century and a half before Columbus's arrival (ca. A.D. 1325).

The attack seems to have occurred just when the village's fortifications were being rebuilt. All the houses were burned, and most of the inhabitants were murdered. This death toll represented more than 60 percent of the village's population, estimated from the number of houses to have been about 800. The survivors appear to have been primarily young women, as their skeletons are underrepresented among the bones; if so, they were probably taken away as captives. Certainly, the site was deserted for some time after the attack because the bodies evidently remained exposed to scavenging animals for a few weeks before burial. In other words, this whole village was annihilated in a single attack and never reoccupied.

just like to them it was probably good for blacks that they got brought here as slaves.

So yes at least for the US descents of Africa slaves they are far far far better off as citizens of the US then most of those who ancestors was not taken as slaves

could all honor him on that day by inviting ourselves and several of our friends into someone else's home, brandishing weapons and declaring that the home is now ours!

Hey, I've got an idea for salvaging Columbus Day! Let's keep it on the calendar and just change the way we celebrate it. We could all honor him on that day by inviting ourselves and several of our friends into someone else's home, brandishing weapons and declaring that the home is now ours!

i don't find Thanksgiving offensive--maybe just move it to a Monday.

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"Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond or "1471: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus" by Charles Mann.