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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 11:30 am
He's and Him's
2 Cor 5:18
18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
Heb 2:10
10 For it was fitting for Him(Father), for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain(Jesus) of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
1 Pet 4:19
19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God(Father) commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator(Father).
1 Cor 11:3
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ(Jesus), the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ(Jesus) is God(Father).
Eph 2:10
10 For we are His(Father) workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God(Father) prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Eph 3:8-11
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God(Father) who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God(Father) might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11 according to the eternal purpose which He(Father) accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
Col 1:13-20
13 He(Father) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His(Father) love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him(Father) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him(Jesus) and for Him(Father).
17 And He(Father) is before all things, and in Him(Father) all things consist.
18 And He(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He(Jesus) may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him(Jesus) all the fullness should dwell,
20 and by Him(Father) to reconcile all things to Himself(Father), by Him(Jesus), whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His(Jesus) cross.
Rev 4:11
11 "You are worthy, O Lord(Father), to receive glory and honor and power; for You(Father) created all things, and by Your(Father) will they exist and were created."
Mark 10:6
6 "But from the beginning of the creation, God(Father) 'made them male and female.'
Rom 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world His(Father) invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His(Father) eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Rev 3:14
14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
Col 1:15
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
John 5:37-40
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me(Jesus), has testified of Me(Jesus). You have neither heard His(Father) voice at any time, nor seen His (Father) form.
38 "But you do not have His(Father) word abiding in you, because whom He(Father) sent, Him(Jesus) you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me(Jesus).
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me(Jesus) that you may have life.
Rom 11:32-36
32 For God(Father)has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God(Father)! How unsearchable are His(Father) judgments and His(Father) ways past finding out!
34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord(Jesus)? Or who has become His(Jesus) counselor?"
35 "Or who has first given to Him(Jesus) and it shall be repaid to him?"
36 For of Him(Father) and through Him(Jesus) and to Him(Father) are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
(NKJ)

THROUGH CHRIST---REASON FOR WAS CHRIST
xxxThe deffinition of through- is reason for. So God created everything through or for the reason of Jesus. God created everything for Jesus sake.

Heb 1:1-6
1 God(Father), who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His(Father) Son(Jesus), whom He(Father) has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He(Father) made the worlds;
3 who being the brightness of His(Father) glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His(Father) power, when He(Jesus) had by Himself(Jesus) purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty(Father) on high,
4 having become so much better than the angels, as He(Jesus) has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For to which of the angels did He(Father) ever say: "You(Jesus) are My(Father) Son(Jesus), today I(Father) have begotten You(Jesus)"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, and He(Jesus) shall be to Me(Father) a Son"?
6 But when He(Father) again brings the firstborn(Jesus) into the world, He(Father) says: "Let all the angels of God(Father) worship Him(Jesus)."
2 Cor 3:4
4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God(Father).
Gal 4:7
7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God(Father) through Christ(Jesus).
Phil 4:7
7 and the peace of God(Father), which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Phil 4:13
13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Rom 1:8
8 First, I thank my God(Father) through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom 5:21
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Cor 5:18-19
18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 that is, that God(Father) was in Christ(Jesus) reconciling the world to Himself(Father), not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
(NKJ)

xxx God the Father done all the creating. God the Father sent His Son Jesus to pay for our sins. And to be an example of how to worship God the Father in the right Spirit. God created Jesus first before anything else. Then God had someone to love. God had someone to give to, but Jesus didnt have anyone that He could give to. So God created everything else through Jesus or for Jesus. The heavens and the earth were created for Jesus. Now to purchase them Jesus had to die on the cross. We all have to prove ourselves to God. Jesus proved Himself, and made the way that we can prove ourselves.
GOD EVEN CREATED JESUS
John 17:5
5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me(Jesus) together with Yourself(Father), with the glory which I(Jesus) had with You(Father) before the world was.
Col 1:15
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
Rev 3:14
14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
(NKJ)

Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God(Father) and Father(Father) of our Lord(Jesus) Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us(Christians) in him(Jesus) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him(Jesus) in love:
(KJV)

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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 01:29 pm
@Squeakybro,
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God created Jesus first before anything else. Then God had someone to love. God had someone to give to, but Jesus didnt have anyone that He could give to. So God created everything else through Jesus or for Jesus.


Interesting. I agree with your basic scenario but I think you have the motivations a little confused.

Why wouldn't you see it as Jesus having God to 'give to'? Why wouldn't these two beings be perfectly sufficient for each other? Why would these obviously very powerful beings need or want such limited beings as US?

There is a very important lesson behind this question. Do you know what it is?
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 04:51 pm
@Leadfoot,
lol Jesus give to God? What do you give someone who has everything already?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 04:58 pm
@Squeakybro,
You are joking, right?

So aside from sex, what could any woman give to Bill Gates (just for example). Do you pick your friends, lovers, wives, etc based on what materialistic things they can give you?
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 06:10 pm
@Leadfoot,
That doesn't make any sense.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 06:22 pm
@Squeakybro,
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@Leadfoot,
That doesn't make any sense.


I'm so sorry to hear that...
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 07:29 pm
@Leadfoot,
Could you refrase it maybe then.
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2015 12:44 pm
@Squeakybro,
Squeakybro wrote:
lol Jesus give to God? What do you give someone who has everything already?
You could start with obedience.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2015 01:47 pm
@neologist,
That would be worship.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2015 02:46 pm
@Squeakybro,
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@Leadfoot,
Could you refrase it maybe then.

I was thinking of the obvious. Companionship, friendship, cooperation and you know, love.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2015 03:40 pm
@Leadfoot,
Isn't that automatic when your an insubordinate.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2015 06:16 pm
@Squeakybro,
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@Leadfoot,
Isn't that automatic when your an insubordinate.

Did you mean 'subordinate'? You've kind of blown me away with that response.
In either case, the answer is - no. You can't demand things like friendship or love whether they are subordinate to you or not. A subordinate owes you recognition and possibly respect, but not love.

There is only one thing that makes love appropriate. That is: Being lovable. If God was not lovable, I wouldn't love him.
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2015 06:59 pm
@Leadfoot,
I've been hoping for some time for Squeaky to polish his grammar and word use. I don't believe he thinks accuracy to be important.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2015 07:13 pm
@neologist,
Your right I meant 'subordinate.
Now as far as the English language and spelling its not important to me. The only thing I would consider important would be the ability to hear the Holy Spirit quoting verses. Faith comes by hearing(not reading) the Word quoted to us in our minds. That is the only guarantee of salvation in the whole bible.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

Worrying about spelling falls under the intellectual idiots. Did you read that revelation?
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2015 08:01 pm
@Squeakybro,
Squeakybro wrote:
Worrying about spelling falls under the intellectual idiots. Did you read that revelation?
Do you suppose any Bible writers cared so little about accuracy?
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2015 08:06 pm
@neologist,
When I am writing something for the Lord I am very accurate.

Matt 23:24
24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
(NKJ)

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Squeakybro
 
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Reply Mon 14 Nov, 2016 07:00 pm
@neologist,
Jesus didn't even care enough to learn letters.

John 7:15-16
15 And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this Man know letters, having never studied?"
16 Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
(NKJ)

Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2016 08:06 am
@Squeakybro,
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Jesus didn't even care enough to learn letters.

And yet he read from the scrolls in the synagogues (Luke 4:17)
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2016 10:40 am
@Smileyrius,
I still don't see your problem.
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2016 01:31 pm
@Squeakybro,
thats ok chap.
 

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