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Past habits & tenses

 
 
Hela
 
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 08:02 am
Dear teachers,

In this sequence of habitual events should I use all the tenses in the simple past or should I use other tenses? Would you please correct my mistakes?

A/ Mrs Black (1) would never go out if it (2) was raining / rained. She (3) used to look up / would look up at the sky whenever it (4) was getting / got cloudy, and as soon as even the smallest drop of rain (5) fell / had fallen, she (6) would scuttle back into her house and (7) lock herself in her bedroom!

B/ Mrs Black (1) never went out if it (2) was raining / rained. She (3) looked up at the sky whenever it (4) was getting / got cloudy, and as soon as even the smallest drop of rain (5) fell / had fallen, she (6) scuttled back into her house and (7) locked herself in her bedroom!

Thank you very much for your help.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 11:42 am
@Hela,
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A/ Mrs Black (1) would never go out if it (2) was raining / rained
"if it rained," Hela, is equivocal, could be interpreted to mean, "if it had rained," in which case we'd hope for extension: "if it had rained within the last few days"

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She (3) used to look up / would look up
"used to" more strongly implies she no longer does it

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it (4) was getting / got cloudy
"got" is equivocal, might suggest it had to be notably cloudy before she would look up, in which case however you'd preferably say "had gotten"

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as soon as even the smallest drop of rain (5) fell / had fallen
"had fallen" more nearly collo


Sorry Hela but now I'm exhausted. Hope you hear from Lay, Con, or S., who might supply technological dressing

S. very competent but doesn't like me to use his/her name
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layman
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 12:05 pm
@Hela,
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Dear teachers,


Hela, please be advised that I am no teacher, and am far from being an expert on proper grammar. Anything I say is just based on my experience (in hearing/reading) and my personal thoughts/conclusions.

Let me first say that your proposing A vs B as alternatives is somewhat confusing, because I see both as incorporating a number of alternatives.

My thoughts are along these lines:

1. For the sake of consistency and symmetry, many would probably prefer to stick with one tense throughout.

2. I don't see any problem with changing tenses in new sentences/clauses if you have already established the (past) context. People will understand what you are trying to convey without a problem. For example:

"as soon as even the smallest drop of rain (5) fell / had fallen, she (6) scuttled back into her house and (7) locked herself in her bedroom!" seems fine to me, even if you select "had fallen." The "as soon as" preface tells you that, although literally stated in the present tense, it is the past tense that is intended, and which applies, even when you proceed to mention the "scuttling" and the "locking."
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Hela
 
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Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2015 12:44 pm
Thank you both for your comments and advice.
Best regards
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