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Who is voting this November and why should you bother?

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Another layer of ID? What form of ID is used now? A signature on a voter registration card? That is hardly a layer of ID. We have already seen people don't care about the registration issue, FL had a spout of people who were registered to vote and only admitted to being non-citizens when they had to do jury duty. Several even admitted to voting in elections. So a sig on a registration card doesn't mean **** if you can't verify who the person is.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:15 pm
@edgarblythe,
The south was controlled by the Dems until the 90's. No GOP gov's and local house and senates controlled by the Dems. The first GOP governor in the south wasn't elected until the early 90's. Until that point the Dems ran the show in the south.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:17 pm
@Baldimo,
How does your version differ from mine?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Cicerone, very little today is the same as it was "four-five decades ago", including the Democrat party.

The former Democrat bastions of Buffalo NY, Cleveland OH, Detroit MI, Gary IN, are fast becoming the largest concentrations of poverty in the country - as industries shut down or move out to escape the corruption, high taxes & public debt and labor union rackets of areas long dominated by Democrat political machines . The Republican South you sneered at has higher economic growth rates and bettewr income distributioin than any of these decaying places.

Contrast and contradictions are everywhere.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:32 pm
@georgeob1,
You wrote,
Quote:
Cicerone, very little today is the same as it was "four-five decades ago", including the Democrat party.


The democratic party has always advocated for "liberal" causes. What and when did that change?

From Wiki.
Quote:
Since the 1930s, the party has promoted a social-liberal platform, supporting a mixed economy and social justice.[2][8] The party's philosophy of contemporary American liberalism has its origins in left-of-center liberalism, which seeks to create a mixed economy by providing government intervention and regulation in the economy.[9] These interventions, such as universal healthcare, social programs, equal opportunity, labor protections, environmental protection, and regulation on big business,
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
As you yourself noted earlier, the Democrat party was also the party of the "Solid South" and its Committee Chairmen in Democrat-controlled Congresses were the main actors in preserving the Jim Crow system in the South. The Voting Rights Act in the 1960s was passed with a much higher percentage of Republican support than Democrat.

Some things don't change though. The Democrats still depend on the exploitation of racism, though now the details of it are a bit different.

Landing Signal Officers on aircraft carriers developed a shorthand for grading pilots' landings that spawned a number of popular acronyms. One was FUBAR, which stood for fucked up beyond recovery. Another was WEFT, which stood for wrong every ******* time. You are WEFT.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:58 pm
quote: Some things don't change though. The Democrats still depend on the exploitation of racism, though now the details of it are a bit different.

Yeah. Now, we denounce the racist Republicans instead of courting their votes.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 05:11 pm
@georgeob1,
Also, you seem to dig deep to find your examples of 'democratic bastions' that you identify as 'largest concentration of poverty in the country.'

From Wiki.
Quote:
"The Californian Ideology" is a critique of dotcom neoliberalism by English media theorists Richard Barbrook and Andy Cameron of the University of Westminster.[1] Barbrook and Cameron argue that the rise of networking technologies in Silicon Valley in the 1990s was linked to American neoliberalism and a paradoxical hybridization of beliefs from the political left and right in the form of hopeful technological determinism.


California's economy is the eighth largest in the world. NYC's GDP is over $1.2 trillion, and it's dominated by democrats/liberals. Isn't that something? The two largest economies in the US are liberal leaning.

The ten poorest states in the US are red states:
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Louisiana
South Carolina
New Mexico
Kentucky
Alabama
West Virginia
Arkansas
Mississippi

Your efforts to identify some pockets in the US where democrats are the majority is laughable at best. LOL
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 06:13 pm
I have read similar, CI. Anybody can pick a few pockets of poverty, but the overall picture is the most important.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 06:20 pm
@georgeob1,
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Landing Signal Officers on aircraft carriers developed a shorthand for grading pilots' landings that spawned a number of popular acronyms. One was FUBAR, which stood for fucked up beyond recovery. Another was WEFT, which stood for wrong every ******* time. You are WEFT.


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One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 06:35 pm
Still waiting for the day we eliminate the bi-partisan system in under oath of our founding father's warning towards having such a system and what corruption will come of it.

Until you guys wake the **** up and stop playing the political game and start playing the practical game, you are all sore losers.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 07:26 pm
@One Eyed Mind,
You don't know what you're talking about. Politics as with religion is alive and well, and unless you're able to find a better 'wrench' that people will accept, your opinions are nothing but bull shyt!
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 07:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Wait, you just said that IF we cannot find a better system to work with, somehow that has relation to the value of my words?

You are bat-**** insane and the epitome of why this world never changes - people hate this world, but they also hate change - staying in a hated world is easier than changing it, much like a kid who hates his room because he has no manners, living in it despite his shame towards it - instead of cleaning it, they simply concede to it.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 08:44 pm
I mentioned earlier that Obama reminds me too much of a Republican. Here is something that turns my stomach.

http://newstrust.net/stories/9879170/toolbar?ref=rss

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Wednesday that he and President Barack Obama are already discussing plans to cut corporate tax rates and pass free trade agreements, following the GOP's major gains in Tuesday's elections.

The comments from McConnell, who is expected to become the next Senate majority leader, shed light on the Republicans' potential strategy next year. For months, Republicans have argued that if they controlled both chambers of Congress, Obama would have to moderate his own liberal positions and give more ground in legislative talks. But McConnell's early agenda suggests a different strategy: He will seek to exploit economic policy rifts between Obama and congressional Democrats to press for deals on issues where the president and Republicans already agree.

"Trade pacts," McConnell said at a press conference Wednesday. "The president and I were just talking about that, right before I came over here. Most of his party is unenthusiastic about international trade. We think it's good for America, and so I've got a lot of members who believe that international trade agreements are a winner for America."


The senator added, "I think he's interested in moving forward. I said, 'Send us trade agreements. We're anxious to take a look at them.'"

Obama has struggled to sell Democrats on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a pact his administration is negotiating with 11 other Pacific nations. Leaked drafts of the text have sparked a host of liberal concerns. Consumer advocates are worried about potential restrictions on food safety and other regulations, environmentalists fear it will undermine environmental protections, and global health experts are concerned it will curb access to low-cost generic medicines.

U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman has a testy relationship with many Democrats in Congress and with many liberal policy organizations, who accuse him of making promises on key Democratic priorities and then retracting them as trade negotiations continue.

Large swaths of the Democratic Party are simply wary of free trade deals in the mode of the 1993 North American Free Trade Agreement. Some studies have concluded that such deals exacerbate income inequality and depress wages. While the NAFTA and World Trade Organization treaties have helped to expand overall U.S. economic growth, many economists argue they have had substantial negative consequences for American workers.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, however, is a strong supporter of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which has not yet been finalized. The pre-eminent American corporate lobbying group almost exclusively supports Republican candidates.

Tax reform could prove somewhat less controversial among congressional Democrats -- although Obama has supported a plan to close corporate tax loopholes and reduce the corporate tax rate for years with nothing to show for it.

"The president's indicated he's interested in doing tax reform," McConnell said Wednesday. "We all know having the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world is a job exporter." He added, "[Obama]'s interested in that issue and we are, too."

The U.S. does have a high official rate of 35 percent for the largest corporations. But a 2013 Government Accountability Office report found that extensive loopholes and tax credits allow companies to pay an average rate of just 12.6 percent, which is in line with or below the rates of other developed countries.

Obama has supported "revenue-neutral" tax reform, in which all the revenue gains from closing corporate loopholes would be balanced by the losses from lowering the corporate rate. Many Democrats would prefer to use at least some of those revenues to fund progressive policy items. Republicans generally favor corporate tax cuts.

Also on Wednesday, the president said he would be open to providing a corporate tax holiday -- known as "repatriation" in tax circles -- in which for a period of time, companies with cash stashed overseas would be allowed to bring it back to the U.S. at a reduced rate. Democrats in Congress are generally skeptical of the idea, and studies suggest that the Bush administration's 2004 effort served to drive up the deficit without creating jobs.

Obama said he would consider using the immediate revenues generated by a tax holiday to help finance a broader legislative package that would include Democratic priorities like infrastructure spending.

"Repatriation," Obama said. "There is an opportunity for us to do a package that is good for business, good for jobs."

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 08:55 pm
@edgarblythe,
Apple has what, over $100 billion that they would like to bring home? This sounds too much like the Reagan mexican amnesty program, do it once and they will expect to see it many times again.

We should have good policy, and stick to it.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2014 09:05 am
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2014 11:27 am
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2014 11:29 am
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2014 11:39 am
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2014 11:44 am
@edgarblythe,
The GOP favors not only corporate tax cuts but tax cuts for the wealthy.

However, these same GOP members have no problem with spending exorbitant amounts on defense, then complain our country spends too much on universal health care.
 

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