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US Military Leadership in OPEN REVOLT Against Obama on Iraq

 
 
Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 02:48 pm
The latest to speak against the White House is Gen Odierno. The way Obama usually handles such matters is to fire the generals who refuse to keep quiet about their lack of agreement with POTUS, even when such statements come in Congressional hearings. But he cant fire everyone.

Is the Military going to force Obama into leading from the front on ISIS?
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 03:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
Of course he should fired any active duty military person who in public disagree with the plans he is putting forward.

That what any President and commander and chief would do not just Obama.

If there is a military person who is in good faith can not go along with Obama then he/she should resign.
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 03:13 pm
@BillRM,
Excepy you liberals went 180 degress on that with Gen Shinseki when he openly disagreed with bush on Iraq. Except that nearly every American now wishes that the military had been more vocal at the time with their general lack of support for the Iraq occupation plan.
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 03:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
Sorry but liberal or conservative is beside the point active duty military does not disagree in public with a President as the President, whoever he is, run the military not the other way around. Oh this apply at any level in the chain of command.

Plenty of retired military that are free to express themselves if they care to do so.

footnote see Truman firing MacArthur.
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 04:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
I don't think these comments are much of a revolt.

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In a breakfast interview with the Defense Writers Group, Odierno said that “1,600 is a good start” and that “I don’t think there’s a rush, a rush to have lots of people in there now.” But he predicated that as operations accelerate against jihadist fighters from the Islamic State, military commanders will revisit U.S. troop levels. “Based on that assessment, we’ll make further decisions,” he said.
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 06:19 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
The Army’s chief of staff told reporters Friday morning that he warned Congress even before today’s vortex of crises that major troop cuts would bring “significant risk.” If sequestration resumes and the Army shrinks to 420,000 troops, he won’t be able to support the Pentagon’s defense strategy.
(See POLITICO's full defense coverage)
“That was before we had [the Islamic State] and before the Ukrainian incursion,” Odierno said. “The risk has actually increased. The potential to have ground forces operating on multiple continents simultaneously causes me grave concern about the size of the military, and I think we have to review it.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/ray-odierno-troops-111143.html#ixzz3DoE5Prnq


Obama says that we absolutely will not put ground troops back in Iraq, Odierno says something else.

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Retired Gen. James Mattis told the House Intelligence Committee on Thursday that "you just don't take anything off the table up front, which it appears the administration has tried to do."

He added, "Specifically, if this threat to our nation is determined to be as significant as I believe it is, we may not wish to reassure our enemies in advance that they will not see American 'boots on the ground.' "

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, similarly told the Senate Armed Services Committee Tuesday that he could recommend deploying combat forces, should the evolving fight call for it.

"If we reach the point where I believe our advisers should accompany Iraqi troops on attacks against specific ISIL targets, I will recommend that to the president," Dempsey said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/another-military-leader-doesnt-rule-out-combat-troops-in-iraq/

Super senior Generals openly calling into question the Obama plan and the Obama line in the sand.


In other news I saw a CNN journalist on the air today assert that the WH has said that it expect it to take well over a year to find and train 5000 syrians up to the point where they can go head to head with ISIS. We have just about everyone who knows anything about projecting military force saying that air power alone will not defeat ISIS, so if American Ground troops are not going into Syria 5000 syrians supplied by us are the ones who will do it, these being the same syrian people that we have had almost zero influence on up till now??!! They will take our training and our equipment, but our ability to control what they do with that training and equipment is going to be about zero.

The Obama plan is pie in the sky stuff, which the generals are pointing out. Maybe they are expecting to need to wait for the next president to actually be able to defeat ISIS.
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2014 12:02 am
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ZAGREB, Croatia — The U.S.-led military campaign plan to retake Iraqi territory held by ISIS calls for attacking the extremists from several directions simultaneously, and its success depends on getting more Arab help, the top American military officer said Sunday.

"We want them to wake up every day realizing that they are being squeezed from multiple directions," Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters, referring to the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham.

"If we can get ISIL (ISIS) looking in about five different directions, that's the desired end state," he added in an interview with reporters traveling with him to Croatia from Lithuania, where he discussed Iraq and other issues with his NATO counterparts.

Dempsey stressed the importance of gaining more Arab participation in the U.S.-led effort, suggesting that without it the military campaign might not move to its next phase. He called wider Arab participation a prerequisite for President Barack Obama's approval of the military campaign plan. Obama was briefed on the plan last week but has not okayed it.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/general-dempsey-arab-nations-need-help-isis-fight-n208416

Well now Sir that is going to be a problem because that requires finding Arabs who trust you to do what you say you will do. Others have listened to you people, some even making detailed complex and mutually beneficial deals with you and where are they now? Where is Quadaffi? Where is Mubarak?, Where is Palestine and the state of imprisonment of the Palestinians? What are they to make of a country that has leader make a big storming speech about how so and so must do this or that saying along the way " There is these here LINE IN THE SAND and if you cross it Mister we are going to kick your ass!" and then the sonofabitch walks off and does it because he does not give a **** what the U S of ******* A says because Putin is his buddy......AND NOTHING HAPPENS BECAUSE PUTIN IS HIS BUDDY!


What are they to make of it?


Professor Sir please, could we please have a realistic plan that could possibly work? Yes I know that international peace is one of your least favorite classes and it is obvious that you suck at working at this and we know that when it comes to the US competence and willingness to try to not be a bull in a china shop have been hard to come by, but can you give us something that we can at least pretend to agree with without killing our credibility?
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