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Religion or Mass Control?

 
 
nap40
 
Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 09:51 pm
I consider myself to be agnostic, meaning that I believe in the possibility of a correct God, or any other reasonable explanation to existence and life. However I have come to the conclusion that no matter how you look at religion, its main purpose is manipulation of the masses as well as to put power in the hands of few. For instance if no religion is correct than this proves my point, but even if a religion is proved right, it would nullify all other religions because they would contradict each other. Meaning if a religion is real all others are false. Now you will notice that everywhere humans are there is some sort of religion. If only a max of one religion can be true, why are there others? The answer is simply because people created, at least the majority, of religion to suit their needs and gain power to control the masses though fear of the vengeance of God or the Gods.
 
Krumple
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 09:59 pm
@nap40,
nap40 wrote:

I consider myself to be agnostic, meaning that I believe in the possibility of a correct God, or any other reasonable explanation to existence and life. However I have come to the conclusion that no matter how you look at religion, its main purpose is manipulation of the masses as well as to put power in the hands of few. For instance if no religion is correct than this proves my point, but even if a religion is proved right, it would nullify all other religions because they would contradict each other. Meaning if a religion is real all others are false. Now you will notice that everywhere humans are there is some sort of religion. If only a max of one religion can be true, why are there others? The answer is simply because people created, at least the majority, of religion to suit their needs and gain power to control the masses though fear of the vengeance of God or the Gods.


Being agnostic doesn't mean you are in the middle between being a theist or an atheist. Gnostic means knowledge and agnostic means without knowledge.

By the definition EVERYONE is agnostic because no one has knowledge that a god exists. I consider myself an agnostic atheist because I don't have knowledge that a god exists but I also don't believe that a god exists.

Other than that, I agree with you. I think all religions were the direct result of self awareness. As soon as you are aware that you have a self, you start to wonder why or how you are here. The human imagination likes to invent things to complete reality.
nap40
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 10:14 pm
@Krumple,
I understand the meaning of agnostic, and it is as you say it means without knowledge. Since I have no knowledge of what is the correct belief, I leave myself open to all beliefs but choose none unless I become sure. Therefore I am agnostic for NOT KNOWING of the existence of a God or Gods, as well as NOT KNOWING that they don't exist.
Krumple
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 10:16 pm
@nap40,
nap40 wrote:

I understand the meaning of agnostic, and it is as you say it means without knowledge. Since I have no knowledge of what is the correct belief, I leave myself open to all beliefs but choose none unless I become sure. Therefore I am agnostic for NOT KNOWING of the existence of a God or Gods, as well as NOT KNOWING that they don't exist.


My point is, EVERYONE is agnostic. In other words it would be like you telling people that you are a human. It is silly because it is obvious.
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fresco
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 01:03 am
@nap40,
With reference to your use of "correct" on this thread, and "same vs different" on the color thread, you are adopting a philosophical position called "naive realism".This involves an assumption that there is a world out there independent of the motivation of observers who interact with it, and that world is accessible eo "objective testing". This is position was attacked by Kant and gave rise to alternative movements such as phenomenalism, pragmatism and constructivism.
In short: "God Exists" for those who have vested interests in maintenance of " a God concept". And such is the mature of "existence" of any human concept.
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fresco
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 05:43 am
@nap40,
TYPOS CORRECTED
With reference to your use of "correct" on this thread, and "same vs different" on the color thread, you are adopting a philosophical position called "naive realism".This involves an assumption that there is a world out there independent of the motivation of observers who interact with it, and that world is accessible to "objective testing". This is position was attacked by Kant and gave rise to alternative movements such as phenomenology, pragmatism and constructivism.
In short: "God Exists" for those who have vested interests in maintenance of " a God concept". And such is the nature of "existence" of any human concept.
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Smileyrius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 06:33 am
Man craves power, he has many tools in his toolbox, Religion is one of his favorites. When it is no longer suitable for the job at hand, he will merely use another tool.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 11:46 am
Christianity is the only true religion, the others aren't worth a spit..Smile
Here's why:-

Christianity has Jesus the Son of God as its central core.
Islam - doesn't
Judaism - doesn't
Sikhism - doesn't
Buddhism - doesn't
Hinduism - doesn't
Spiritism - doesn't
Bahai - doesn't
Jainism - doesn't
Shinto - doesn't
Taoism - doesn't
Zoroastanism - doesn't
Paganism - doesn't
Rastafarianism - doesn't
Scientology - doesn't
Chinese traditional - doesn't
African tribal - doesn't
Cao Dai - doesn't
Tenrikyo - doesn't
New Age - doesn't
Unitarian - doesn't
Native American - doesn't
Fairy-worshipping cults etc - don't
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 12:48 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Without explaining how Christianity, because it has Jesus the Son of God as it's central core, is the only true religion you're merely begging the question.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 12:54 pm
@nap40,
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I consider myself to be agnostic, meaning that I believe in the possibility of a correct God, or any other reasonable explanation to existence and life.



If you truly do consider yourself to be an agnostic, Nap, you would probably would do yourself a favor my not doing any “believing” at all.

You could have put this thought into phrasing like, “There is the possibility there is a GOD…there is the possibility there are no gods. I do not know which it is.”

“Believing” in the context of a religious or philosophic discussion…is almost always just a way of disguising a blind guess. (You did not use it this way…but I still maintain you would be better off not using the word at all.)

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However I have come to the conclusion that no matter how you look at religion, its main purpose is manipulation of the masses as well as to put power in the hands of few.


Reasonable. Religion does seem to be a way to manipulate people...and it is easy to arrive where you are on "religion."

But “religion” does not really go to the question of whether or not there is a GOD…or if there are no gods. That actually is a separate question.

Good luck on you, Nap.
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Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 02:30 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Christianity is the only true religion, the others aren't worth a spit..Smile
Here's why:-

Christianity has Jesus the Son of God as its central core.
Islam - doesn't
Judaism - doesn't
Sikhism - doesn't
Buddhism - doesn't
Hinduism - doesn't
Spiritism - doesn't
Bahai - doesn't
Jainism - doesn't
Shinto - doesn't
Taoism - doesn't
Zoroastanism - doesn't
Paganism - doesn't
Rastafarianism - doesn't
Scientology - doesn't
Chinese traditional - doesn't
African tribal - doesn't
Cao Dai - doesn't
Tenrikyo - doesn't
New Age - doesn't
Unitarian - doesn't
Native American - doesn't
Fairy-worshipping cults etc - don't



This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have seen in a while that was posted. It is completely meaningless. An empty ingredient. Completely retarded. Is your IQ in the double digits? I know for sure it isn't in triple digits.
nap40
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 05:38 pm
@Krumple,
I was just about to say that.
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 06:50 pm
@nap40,
Actually Romeo has a solid understanding of what he believes...even if you don't agree with he's theology ....better than the initial poster...simply trying to figure out what he/she thinks.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 01:56 am
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InfraBlue said:@RF- Without explaining how Christianity, because it has Jesus the Son of God as it's central core, is the only true religion you're merely begging the question.

What?
I'd say being the Son of God himself is pretty good credentials..Smile
He had a direct line to God-
"For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

So when he spoke, it was really God speaking to us through him, wow..Smile
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 04:25 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
the only problem with using this line of reasoning with non-Christians Romeo is that to be effective you would first have to convince them that Jesus was the son of God, your premise is not shared so the expression has no substance to them. To them, every religion claims it's leaders/founders had divine backing
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 10:09 am
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Smileyrius said: every religion claims it's leaders/founders had divine backing

They could only talk the talk, but Jesus walked the walk..Smile

"..even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father"- John 10:38

The 37 MIRACLES OF JESUS
Bringing little girl back to life
Bringing widows son back to life
Bringing Lazarus back to life
Stilling the storm
Feeding 4000
Walking on sea
Feeding 5000
Coin in fishes mouth
Withering fig tree
Big catch of fish
Water into wine
Another big fish catch
Healing leper
Healing Centurions servant
Healing Peters mother-in-law
Healing sick at evening
Healing paralysed man
Healing haemorraging woman
Healing two blind men
Healing mans withered hand
Healing Canaanite womans daughter
Healing boy with seizures
Healing blind man
Healing deaf and dumb man
Healing another blind man
Healing crippled woman
Healing man with dropsy
Healing 10 lepers
Restoring a cut-off ear
Healing noblemans sons fever
Healing crippled man at Bethesda
Healing a born-blind man
Casting out demons into pigs
Curing a mute lunatic
Casting out dirty spirit
Curing a possessed blind-dumb man
Appeared to his followers after his death

http://www.bcbsr.com/survey/jmrcls.html

anonymously99
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 11:14 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
I believe in God and Jesus Christ.

I guess I don't understand why you insist on speaking negative of them when they are love. How could you deny love.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 12:20 am
@nap40,
It is not surprising that religion has a bad reputation. Throughout the centuries, whenever those in power had need to subdue others by force, they relied on the clergy to provide cannon fodder.

This is not the fault of God.
fresco
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 01:04 am
@neologist,
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This is not the fault of God.


Hardly surprising since the concept "God" is partially defined by its dis-association from the concept "fault" ! Wink
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 02:22 am
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Anonymously said:@RF-I believe in God and Jesus Christ.
I guess I don't understand why you insist on speaking negative of them when they are love. How could you deny love.

I don't know what you're talking about mate, do you?..Wink
 

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