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Is it immoral to have children?

 
 
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2014 09:12 am
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Topic title: Is it immoral to have children?

If a man and woman truly WANT kids that's fine..Smile
But if they have kids simply because they think they're "supposed to" in order to be like everybody else, that's not so fine.
Even worse, if it's an unplanned pregnancy the kid might sense as he grows up that his parents never really wanted him, especially if they're always picking on him and bullying him.
My parents had a shotgun wedding because i was on the way, my mother was okay but my dad was an evil little ****, finding fault with me all the time because in his twisted way he blamed me for making him have to get married. I suspect he wanted to have me aborted ha ha..Smile
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2014 10:13 am
@Calamity Dal,
Calamity Dal wrote:
Point taken though, my wife seems to agree with you.


Now i'm depressed. Whenever anyone's wife agrees with any man, you know he has gone terribly wrong.
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2014 12:24 pm
@Ashleighx,
Ashleighx wrote:

Since it's immoral to cause suffering ...

It is not immoral to cause suffering. People "cause suffering" through completely moral acts all the time. The premise upon which your question is based is not correct.
CoastalRat
 
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Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2014 12:28 pm
@Ashleighx,
Please do not ever have children Ashleighx. Then you will never feel guilty for causing them to suffer in this pain filled existence.
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Ashleighx
 
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Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2014 01:33 pm
@engineer,
Really? Is it not immoral to cause suffering? By which standards we define immorality then?
Which moral acts justify causing suffering?
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2014 03:33 pm
@Ashleighx,
I put a criminal in jail. Does not that cause "suffering" for the person in jail? How about his relatives, spouse, children? Don't they suffer because I imprisoned their parent? Does that make it immoral? How about laying off workers during a downturn? Is that immoral? What if I didn't then the company went under? What if two people are in need and I choose to help one? Did I cause suffering by my inaction?

Suffering is caused by many things. Certainly immoral actions can cause suffering but completely moral actions can as well. Suffering is not sufficient to imply immorality. You need a more complete standard.
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Rose16
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 03:07 am
@Ashleighx,
You are not causing the child suffering by bringing it into the world. The world also contains wonderful and awe inspiring things.
Having children enables you to share these things!
No child consents to being created but neither do they have the opportunity to express the wish that they want to be born.

For myself, my Parents gave me the opportunity to experience life in all it's richness, yes there is suffering but it is still worth it.

Therefore my parents did not act immorally

J


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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 03:29 am
@Ashleighx,
Ashleighx wrote:

I believe having children can be one of the most cruel and selfish acts imaginable. Bringing a child into this horrible world is simply immoral. Parents impose misery on an innocent child's life to please themselves.


Then don't have children.
**** off.
Easy.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2014 03:42 am
@Ashleighx,
I imagine like Elvis you've left the building.

Ahleigh, we do not know that the future holds sheez, your "God" doesn't because man keeps changing things and Man doesn't.

Off course parents worry ? They don't have children to please themselves, they have a child for love, out of love for each other.. You make it sound as if the pleasing of sex goes hand in hand with having a child..

Animals kill for survival who the heck will throw a child into the jungle when there is a lion there? I truly hope you seek a little help with your thoughts I get where you are thinking but it's a bit messed up.

No normal "parent" would ever even contemplate taking that risk think about what you just said. They will always protect same as the Lion and its cub.

I don't read the Bible but in my opinion we are here to make the most of life yes? It's up to us to be happy/sad/ can't cope/ cope. The baby born didn't know there was going to be suffering what have you read? How many people on this Earth have suffered and risen above and become what they wanted? How can you state " they wish they didn't exist".

The only conclusion I can come to is Depression... Those don't want to exist and as hard as we try and people do, to help them sometimes they commit suicide, never wanted to exist but you know what, they actually did, the problem was they could not find happiness or what they were after and what ever treatment they received over time, it began to diminish not work.. and so...

There is no violation and you can't talk Christian as really you are talking Depression which is real.

No immortality what so ever .

Don't have a child Ash until you sort through "you" because there you are right you can not bring a child into this world and suggest or teach , preach, or play out, what you wrote here. Best wishes.
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void123
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2014 04:46 am
@Ashleighx,
its a popular antinatalism arugerment.
begging the question? is it immoral to cause suffering.
causeing suffering is different from the world contains suffering.
im going to guess, correct me if im wrong, and say your a Determinist thus no moral responsibility for people who give birth
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