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Wed 21 Apr, 2004 06:51 pm
Nasa launches Einstein Gravity Probe B
REUTERS[ THURSDAY, APRIL 22, 2004 02:24:02 AM ]
CAPE CANAVERAL: Forty-five years in the making and 24 hours late, Nasa launched a $700 million satellite into orbit on Tuesday to test Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity.
The Gravity Probe B, one of the most precise scientific instruments every built, was carried aloft by a Boeing Co Delta 2 from the rocket range at California's Vandenberg Air Force Base. A day earlier, launch directors from Boeing and Nasa's Kennedy Space Center in Florida scrubbed the launch in the final minutes of the countdown when there was a problem loading software.
Einstein developed his mind-bending theories of relativity in the early 20th century, and today those theories are generally accepted, especially as they find their way into applications such as medical scanners and the Global Positioning System.
Among the most exotic of Einstein's predictions was that massive bodies ?- planets, stars or black holes ?- actually twist time and space around as they spin, much like the winds of a tornado. Other tenets of general relativity have been tested, such as the warping of time and space by massive bodies, but the twisting effect, known as frame dragging, has never been put to the test, scientists said. If Einstein is right, scientists say, the satellite should detect that small bits of time and space are actually missing from each orbit, something indiscernible to orbiting astronauts but measurable nonetheless.
"I call it the missing inch," said the programme's chief scientist, a theoretical physicist from Stanford University.
Not until the 1990s were the engineers and scientists able to build a satellite precise enough to make the measurement. The heart of the 3.5-tonne satellite is a container holding four spheres the size of ping pong balls that will be chilled to near absolute zero and spun 10,000 times a minute, to be the most accurate gyroscopes.
How to test Einstein's theory
How to test Einstein's theory:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3640901.stm
YEEEEEEEEE HARRRR !!!
Man I've been waiting YEARS for this thing to be launched.
I am a very happy bunny and I can't wait so read the results.
I watched the launch on a website too.
g__day wrote:Any results yet?
I read somewhere that it will take about a year to get measurable results.
The possible defflection of the spheres due to frame drag is so minute that it will have to accumulate for a year before it even becomes measureable (if they deflect at all).
True.
It is going to take a lot of data for the effect to show up, if indeed it does.
I'm kind of hoping it doesn't
Heliotrope wrote:True.
It is going to take a lot of data for the effect to show up, if indeed it does.
I'm kind of hoping it doesn't

That would be interesting, but it probably isn't going to happen because Frame Dragging has already been detected, but in an "uncontrolled" experiment:
http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast06nov97_1.htm
The link above wrote:And speaking of different approaches, what of the second method for measuring frame dragging?
Zhang said that it remains as important as ever. NASA is developing it as Gravity Probe-B, a satellite containing precision gyroscopes inside a liquid helium bath. GP-B will point at a selected star, and sensitive instruments will measure how much the gyros precess after conventional effects are nullified. The leftover effects should provide a precise measure of frame dragging.
Zhang pointed out that the Rossi satellite observations are not a controlled experiment. The exact mass of the star and other effects around it are not known with great detail. Gravity Probe-B, though, will be the controlled experiment which gives physicists the precision they need for filling it blank spots in our understanding of how the universe works.
It seems likely that Gravity probe B will only confirm previous observations. And then LIGO is going to confirm gravity waves and GR will stand unscathed... leaving us with the terrible schism between GR and QED. How can they both be right?
QED and GR remind me of the two shadow example where there are shadows on the wall and on the floor. One shadow shows a triangle, so you might deduce that the object casting the shadow is a triangle. But the shadow on the floor shows a circle, so you might deduce that the object is a sphere. But only be seeing both shadows and combining deductions from both can you deduce that the object is a cone.
When we look at QED and GR, I fear that we are looking at two shadows which are both correct, but neither of which are the actual thing we're looking for. And to make matters worse, there could be many more shadows which we don't yet see.
The frame dragging information so far gained really only consists of indications of the effect.
It's not direct. There too many variables still unknown for one thing and remember that was only a calculation based in indirect information gained from very, very remote data.
It's not a measurement.
I'm still hoping that GBP won't find frame dragging as I reckon there needs to be a major league breakthrough so we can perhaps get a glimpse of the "cone".
M-Theory is promising and already the shape of an overarching theory is starting to be definied.
There's a lot of great stuff coming and I can't wait to see it.
Heliotrope wrote:M-Theory is promising and already the shape of an overarching theory is starting to be definied.
There's a lot of great stuff coming and I can't wait to see it.
I hope I live long enough to see the next great breakthrough. I would love to see that cone before I die.
What are the basics of M-Theory? I'll have to do some Googling on it. Is it related to the M-Brane stuff which I vaguely remember?
M-Theory links five variants of supersymmetry theory (with different topologies) and supergravity into a single theoretical framework but many of its properties are yet to be understood!
Type I (strings)
Type IIA (rings/torus topology)
Type IIB
Heterotic-0
Heterotic-E
11-dimensional supergravity
To get an idea of some of the details you'll have to read one of the more accessible works such as :
The Elegant universe.