Moral Relativity: Where moral values come from?

It doesn't matter where moral values come from, only if they're right or wrong.

Morality is a compass whose accuracy is tested when you reap whatever you sow by using your compass.

I you fail to foresee consequences for things based on certain moral ideas, that won't prevent you from reaping those consequences.

We learn by trial and error, in this life and hereafter.

The main difficulty people have with morality is when artificial consequences conflict with natural ones. For example, if you follow some rule or rule based on the idea that it will benefit you, but then by doing so you end up causing natural consequences that you didn't expect, you would try to blame the rule you followed, but ultimately no one will be held accountable for misleading you with false rules.

There are indeed many cultures that have differing moralities, which is to say that they are not all equal, some are indeed very bad, especially cultures which are governed by holy scriptures that where written in the darker, more ignorant times.
Morality is not relative, it is necessarily based upon the common biology of all humanity. That which promotes life and well being is the bases of morality, ultimately it is self interest, one gains protection from a society which functions on such principles. Ones that functions on mythologies/religions, the individuals well being can be a little more dicey, that which promotes life and well being is morality.

You make two contradictory statements.

1. There are indeed many cultures that have differing moralities,

2. Morality is not relative, it is necessarily based upon the common biology of all humanity.

They can't both be true.

Science cannot explain morality. What is the starting point? who/what determines what is right and what is wrong? A computer reasoning can't...it can only decipher 0 or 1's or on/off's. To it a 0 can be just as right as a 1.This is why understanding consciousness sates is important. Why? because there are 2 off main types of consciousness. The first type relies totally upon autopilot decisions the second relies on SELF intervening decisions.The problem is that on the whole many people in society only rely an autopilot existence/reasonings because they know nothing else. They behave/think /reason like a machine.

Moral relativism is indeed how things have developed to this point, but it is not an answer for any kind of future, that isn't chaos. A common morality must be based upon a common biology and must concerns itself with the life and well being of the individual.
All creations of humanity are biological extensions of that common biology, expressing the order and complexity of that said biology. The present institutions that claim to be the source of our humanity read morality are frauds, it is humanity that bestows morality up0n the institution and not the other way around. A global morality must be based upon our commonality NOT our differences.

Interesting but can you prove it?

Human beings have a common biology.

Human beings do not have a common morality.

That is the crux of my argument against moral absolutism.

Max, This is also my stand against moral relativism. Think what does moral relativism relate to across the board, if not chaos.

Moral relativism has been the state of human affairs since the beginning of civilization until recently. When England And Spain colonized much of the world, they imposed a system of morality that is more or less similar to what we have today.

Colonialism is the alternative to moral relativism... where White colonizers impose their moral values on the indigenous cultures they encounter.

This is not theoretical. That is what actually happened and how we have what we now consider to be moral absolutes. They are moral absolutes because we literally stamped out the cultures with differing ideas.

There is no other way to get to moral absolutes.

You have a lot to read on Anthropology and even simple old fashioned Biology. On the way do some reading on Superorganisms and you will see past specific local law systems to take notice at what happens on a fundamental level.

From China to the Aborigines to Europe the fundamental structure of functional societies is and ALWAYS was the same. In fact I would go as far as to state it is really Universal Cosmos wise. As expected you can't see past the surface waves at the Ocean...you don't get one thing right do ya Max? I honestly feel for ya, bad Karma!

Max, The emperilists did concern themselves with the quality and well being of the oppressed, not a good argument for a global morality. Morality needs to be based on our common biology, our common well being. It is biology that bestows value upon a meaningless physical world, so it is senseless to imagine that a morality that it would create would not serve its own best interests.

I think you are arguing that there are behavioral constants, for instance people or monkeys get upset when they think they are being treated unfairly. I agree with this. It is irrelevant.

When White colonizers from Europe encountered indigenous peoples, they found cultures with dramatically different ideas of morality. So the colonizers proceeded to wipe out these cultures, and they sometimes used morality to justify genocide.

Now a White European from a culture with a history of colonization is denying the uniqueness of these indigenous cultures.

There is no good reason to believe that White European culture is superior to indigenous cultures. When we talk about moral absolutism, that is what it always comes down to.

So a White colonizer will say... my ideas are based on our common biology.

A indigenous person will say... my ideas are based on our common biology.

If you are going to have a global morality, one side has to dominate the other. Who is going to win the argument?

Global morality is only achieved at the barrel of a gun (and history confirms this).

Max, There is no absolute, there is biology, something as essential as a morality must relate back to something, that something needs be our common biology our common well being. Its the only logical starter.

..oh yes you just remind me, you don't understand tribalism either and its relation with Universal Morality...xD!

Max, you need read my post more closely.

Every culture has its own ideas about morality. And these ideas vary drastically from culture to culture.

How do you resolve this? Throughout history, global morality has only taken place at the barrel of a gun (sometime figuratively or at times quite literally).

Trade always worked better than guns...again, wrong!!!

Max, A common biology includes all, arguably including animals, seeing as they a quiet capable of suffering, its the same carbon based biology. Someone beating on you, can't logically say its life affirming and is supporting the interests of your well being, a morality based upon our common biology is the only logical starter.