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Moral Relativity: Where moral values come from?

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 05:17 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

You have that backwards Cold Joint.

Moral absolutism is a cop out. Any idiot can decide that they are right and that everyone else is wrong. If you don't question your own beliefs... you never have to face the fact that you might be wrong.

It takes courage to consider ideas from other points of view.



You really think so Coldjoint? I don't see being narrow minded as particularly courageous.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 05:29 pm
@maxdancona,
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You really think so Coldjoint? I don't see being narrow minded as particularly courageous.


Yes I do think so. And I do not see what is narrow minded about the sanctity of life when there are cultures who blatantly discount it and encourage the taking of it. These cultures offend me and should offend anyone. And there is no way to justify it but moral relativity.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 05:49 pm
@coldjoint,
I am curious about what you mean by "sanctity of life"?

- Are you against capital punishment?

- Do you believe that life saving healthcare should be given to people who don't have money for it?

- Do you believe that life saving water station should be left in the desert for refugees crossing the border?

Are you courageous enough to question the inconsistancy of your own beliefs?


coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 06:19 pm
@maxdancona,
I believe in the Golden rule. There are too many countries completely ignoring it and people cite the culture as moral, ridiculous.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 06:25 pm
@coldjoint,
I am not sure if you understand the Golden Rule. The point of the Golden Rule is that it governs your behavior based on how you want to be treated yourself. The way that anyone else acts is irrelevant to the Golden Rule. Jesus was pretty clear about this; you are supposed to do good to those who mistreat you.

But that isn't the point.

You are claiming an absolute moral principle; the "sanctity of life". If you believe in the Sanctity of Life that means that you wouldn't accept the taking of a life in any circumstances, not capital punishment, not "stand your ground", not let people die from lack of food or medicine.

You don't seem to even follow your own absolute moral principle.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 07:14 pm
@maxdancona,
I have explained that using culture to justify the taking of a life without reason is morally reprehensible.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 07:15 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

I have explained that using culture to justify the taking of a life without reason is morally reprehensible.


And yet you are willing to do just that... in the case of capital punishment for example?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 07:18 pm
@maxdancona,
Capital punishment for murder is moral. The process of proving guilt is sometimes questionable.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 07:20 pm
@coldjoint,
If you are going to have moral absolutes... such as the case of the "sanctity of life", then you can't have exceptions. Once you start making exceptions, then morals are no longer absolute. You aren't holding to unwavering principles.... you are just making stuff up based on your opinions.

You are no different than a moral relativist. The only difference is that you don't have the courage to admit it.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 07:23 pm
@maxdancona,
That you wish to change moral truth after centuries of accepting it is not wise.

You are the one making excuses and exceptions.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 07:26 pm
@coldjoint,
Which moral truth has been accepted "for centuries"? I don't know of any such truth.

Western civilization has certainly not believed in the sanctity of life for centuries. Do you know about the slave trade, or the Trail of Tears?

I think it is ironic that most people who talk about the "sanctity of life" only mean one issue-- abortion. Once people are born, these hypocrites don't give a **** about whether they live or die. There are some people who are consistently pro-life; they oppose abortion, the death penalty and military action. I have a friend who takes this stance. I respect him.

The hypocrisy is the problem.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 07:27 pm
@maxdancona,
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Which moral truth has been accepted "for centuries"? I don't of any such truth.


Color me surprised.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 07:32 pm
@coldjoint,
Please list an absolute moral truth that has been followed by Western Civilization "for centuries".
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 08:26 pm
@maxdancona,
Freedom.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 08:27 pm
@coldjoint,
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I don't of any such truth.


huh?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 08:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I did not say that.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 08:47 pm
@coldjoint,
Does a society that allows the ownership of slaves believe in freedom as an moral absolute?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2018 09:02 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
Does a society that allows the ownership of slaves believe in freedom as an moral absolute?


Societies evolve. Truth does not.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2018 05:37 pm
@coldjoint,
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/e8/f0/6a/e8f06ad404944091b06a6562647d8b73.jpg
NOW thats magenta(more purple). You wanna be called magentaman or pinky?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2018 05:50 pm
@farmerman,
I never cared what you called me and I don't care now.
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