Moral Relativity: Where moral values come from?

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Not quite the correct relationship. It's actually the Israelis against Hamas with the Palestinians suffering the most casualties. The Palestinians don't have much freedoms, and most of them had their homes stolen or destroyed by the Israelis.

The Israelis feels justified in doing all they are doing, because god gave them the land of Israel.

This is probably the most well thought out...and well written comment I have seen come from you since I came back to A2K, ci.

It is brilliant...and right on the mark.

I gladly second it in every respect.

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@maxdancona,

When it comes down to it what's moral is our happiness and salvation. War is good only if we are perfect; the passive live, the haters go to not. Anything else is pointless and corrupted.

War can't happen between to good people's. they love one another, and they need to see they will fight together one day in paradise.

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@maxdancona,

You said,

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Both sides are doing things that I find morally reprehensible

Please prove this statement?

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@cicerone imposter,

Really Cicerone???

You are asking me to prove that I find something morally reprehensible?

That is patently ridiculous.

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@maxdancona,

Why? You said, and I repeat,

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Both sides are doing things that I find morally reprehensible

You're the one making the judgment about morality, and yet you refuse to say what they are. If you don't know what they are, how can you make the charge that both sides are doing things you find morally reprehensible?

Logic 101, please.

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@cicerone imposter,

The statement stands on its own. Obviously any moral judgement is, by definition, subjective.

If you asking for the specific things that Israel and/or Hamas are doing that I find morally reprehensible? Both sides are launching attacks against civilian targets (for one example).

Is that enough for you?

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@maxdancona,

Yes. Was that so difficult?

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Really Cicerone???

You are asking me to prove that I find something morally reprehensible?

That is patently ridiculous.

He actually did, Max.

And this is a guy who often talks about Logic 101.

Obviously he never took the course.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Obviously any moral judgement is, by definition, subjective.

By whose definition?

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@joefromchicago,

Is this meant as a joke? Because it is funny. I love irony.

If you are not joking, than I will answer you straight...

"by my definition of course." (I can't help chuckling a bit even as I type this).

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@maxdancona,

Judgement needs to be absolute or what's the point. Knowledge is our judge.

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@MWal,

Exactly MWal, which is why you are absolutely wrong (in my opinion).

The real question is whose judgement is absolute; mine or yours?

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@maxdancona,

Omni's judgement is absolute.

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How can anyone doubt that moral systems are cultural constructions? Indeed, as I noted elsewhere there are not moral facts (that would transcend social-cultural boundaries) only moral interpretations (that reflect the values of some cultural system).

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How can anyone doubt that moral systems are cultural constructions? Indeed, as I noted elsewhere there are no moral facts (transcending social-cultural boundaries) only moral interpretations (that reflect the values of some cultural system).

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@MWal,

You mean the Magazine? I thought they went out of business about 20 years ago. They had some cool stories back in the day...

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@maxdancona,

You wrote,

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"by my definition of course."

Chuckle all you want! As JLN has noted, morals are culturally based and construed. Even then, there are really no such thing as moral standards within the culture.

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@cicerone imposter,

Cicerone, I think you are confused.

I have consistently been arguing on the side of Moral Relativity (since I started this post). When I say "I find the actions of both sides to be morally reprehensible" this is a morally relativistic statement because I am asserting my view without appealing to any absolute truth. I appeal only to my own judgement.

You first took offense to my statement of a relativistic moral statement. Now you seem to be arguing in favor of moral relativity.

Make up your mind either way. But there is no use you being in such violent agreement with me.

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@maxdancona,

I'm not confused; it's how you present your opinions that provides the confusion.

The title of this forum is "Moral Relativity: Where moral values come from."

I believe JLN answered the question quite well. Moral values do not come from "you."

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Is this meant as a joke? Because it is funny. I love irony.

I'm not so sure about that.

maxdancona wrote:

"by my definition of course." (I can't help chuckling a bit even as I type this).

Then you would agree, I presume, that a moral judgment might be objective according to somebody else's definition. Whose definition, in that case, would be correct?

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