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A BRIDGE TOO FAR

 
 
cavfancier
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2004 04:34 pm
Count me amongst the unnumbered, unsung generalists, panzade. When I die, a sole Coltrane-esque saxophone will do, and free sandwiches for all....maybe a muffin too.
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2004 07:46 pm
Oh puhleeeeze, banish these mobid thoughts from thy countenance. Thou must always play the clown. It is thy sentence, varlot!
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2004 09:10 pm
mezzie wrote:
Let's say you have no idea what your partner holds (ie. no clues from the bidding), and you have to make an opening lead against 4S.

You hold:

S xx
H KQJx
D Qxxx
C xxx

(a) setting up your own winners
What do you lead? Well, you have 2 suits with honors, but your king of hearts is SUPPORTED by the queen, so it's a stronger holding. What do I mean by SUPPORTED? Well, let's say you lead the king of hearts. Someone else will win with the ace. But you now have the Q and J set up as winners. Yay!

Now let's say you led your 4th best heart instead. Oops! Unless your partner has the A or T (10), you have just given the opponents a cheap trick!

The moral of the story... When you lead an honor, make sure you have the next lowest honor! A nice corollary is that if your partner leads a king, you KNOW he also must hold the queen, so you can lead the suit again later to cash your trick.

(b) setting up your partner's winners
Now let's say instead that your partner has bid diamonds at some point during the same auction, so you want to lead his suit. Which diamond do you choose? You might think you could lead an honor here, because your partner has bid them. Think again! Say the diamond suit is like this:

Jxx

Qxxx ATxxx
Kx

If you lead the queen, then declarer gets 2 diamond tricks (try this yourself with real cards!). If you lead low, declarer only gets 1 diamond trick.

So, to sum up, lead top of touching honors if you have them, otherwise lead your 4th best.

2. Why 11?


Hi TBG --

I still like my way of playing the Q of a KQxx holding just because several tricks later I'll see that K and may remember better than IT is a winner... whereas I have been known to "forget" that my Q is good, particularly if drinking is involved. Been there, done that.

As long as my partner knows my quirk... we should be OK, don't you think?

Thanks for the great explanation of the 11! I knew that one of the cards was the fourth card in my hand, but I couldn't figure out what other one didn't need to be counted. Duh... the ace!

A gazillion thanks.
Piffka


PS -- So, do people still say they're "sitting with the bathtub" if they've been dealt a lot of good hands?
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mezzie
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2004 10:13 pm
Well, as long as you and your partner have an agreement, and you BOTH play the same way, you can do whatever you like! (as long as you tell your opponents that when you lead a queen it promises the king, and NOT vice versa Smile Bridge is a game of full disclosure, to make it as much about skill as possible)

And keep in mind that if you ever play duplicate or even in most kitchen bridge games, everyone else will lead K from KQ, so you should always be watching for those things as declarer.

I would recommend that you stick to one style and do it regardless of honors. So if you want to lead your 2nd of touching honors, then not only will you lead Q from KQ, but also J from QJ, and T from JT. The question remains, what will you lead from KQJ or QJT? For consistency, I'd stick to the 2nd best if that's what you prefer.

You wrote: "As long as my partner knows my quirk... we should be OK, don't you think?"

As I mentioned above, you'll be OK as long as (a) your partner knows your quirk, and (b) your partner agrees to play the same way! You can't have different lead conventions depending on the partner. Stick to one style between the 2 of you, watch each other's leads, and you'll gradually get used to figuring out what everyone else holds in the suit that gets led. If you don't have a solid agreement about what you're leading, and then stick to it, then you'll always be in a haze and your defense will suffer.

"PS -- So, do people still say they're "sitting with the bathtub" if they've been dealt a lot of good hands?"

I don't think so, because I've never heard it before! Then again, I haven't played much kitchen bridge, and that sounds like a saying that would have sprung up during home games rather than tournaments Smile
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2004 10:29 pm
Hmmm, the "Sitting with the Bathtub" saying was from duplicate bridge... and I always wondered where that bathtub was supposed to be!

Thanks TBG!
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mezzie
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2004 11:20 pm
SmileSmileSmileSmile
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 04:44 am
Sitting with the bathtub always worked for me - along with a good partner. Partnering is the most important aspect of the game IMHO.

Years ago when I played more than twice a week with the same person we had the total ability to read each others hands and although we has some very regular conventions. Stayman, Gerber, we still had an uncanny ability to read each other.

Mostly like in all relationships it is trust that makes the game.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 04:49 am
panzade, I assure you, I have no "mobid" thoughts at all, in my countenance or in my mind. Laughing
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 04:52 am
Righto cav, and mornin to you.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 04:54 am
Mornin' Joanne. I'm watching my bro's posts with interest, but sadly have nobody to play bridge with.
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 05:00 am
Who is your bro? We can cook up partners and/or teams and play on line bridge together. Panzade and I did one night.

It was nerve racking for me but he was quite the gentleman.

But we could reserve a room and practice together to hone our skills before we set off to play with others.

What do you think panzade do you think you can deal with us.

So far I count six, panzade, Diane, piffka, mezzie, cav and myself. We only need two more. This could be great we could re-enter the bridge world as the great A2kers Bridge team.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 05:01 am
mezzie the bridge guru is my bro.
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 05:02 am
For real?

Yikes I just read his profile - Ph.D. in linguistics but living in Philly, howse that work for him? Has he decoded Phildelpian method of communication yet?
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 05:04 am
Yeppers, Joanne.
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 08:19 am
This is a bridge thread Cav. Mobid thoughts are a prerequisite. But sometimes can lead to a penalty
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 08:26 am
I can set up two tables on Bridge Basic Online. It's called a match. It's scored by comparing the results of each partnership. It would be a lot of fun. Willow is another A2ker that is very good, I haven't seen her post here though.
In any case Joanne I'd like to play again. Let me know when.
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 08:31 am
OK I have to go to the doctor this after noon but will be home by 4:30 for sure. Could you post the link to Bridge Basic Online again, pretty please. Here I am tossing you one of the Supreme Bean's wonderful bones. (The Supreme Bean is what JLNobody calls my dog, the MinPin, Bean.)
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 08:37 am
I can see how a degree in linguistics would fit right in with bidding in bridge. Cool, Mezzie!
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 08:39 am
After the download you should have a shortcut installed on your desktop for easier navigation.

http://www.bridgebase.com/online/bbo.shtml
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mezzie
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2004 09:07 am
For the record, I'm only in the 2nd year of the PhD program, so I have no credentials to speak of yet Smile

If you all do have a game and there are any bidding/play/defense questions/disputes/threats, let me know!

TBG
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