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Sat 3 Apr, 2004 10:21 am
I wonder what Farmerman will think of this theory?---BBB
Geologists say 'snowball Earth' likely 750 million years ago
Supercontinent's breakup may have forged global glacier
David Perlman, San Francisco Chronicle Science Editor
Thursday, March 18, 2004
While the Bay Area basks in a heat wave and New York freezes in the snow, a team of geologists and climate experts looking back in time has renewed an old debate about the possibility that the entire surface of the globe was once frozen solid.
Some 750 million years ago, according to some experts, the planet now being subject to global warming may have been a glacier-covered "snowball Earth."
The geologists have created a computer model of a time more than a billion years ago when much of Earth's surface was welded into a single massive continent, known as Rodinia. When it eventually broke into smaller continental fragments, the result was a wave of volcanic eruptions throughout the world's equatorial regions.
Those eruptions, say the scientists, filled the atmosphere with carbon dioxide, the notorious greenhouse gas whose rising levels may have warmed the planet for a time, as is occurring now from the carbon dioxide released from fossil fuel combustion.
But the volcanoes also loosed torrential rains, the researchers suggest, which weathered and degraded deep layers of Earth's rocky surface. That would have greatly enhanced the capacity of the planet to absorb all the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and may have brought on a time of deepening cold.
At the same time, the scientists say, the sun's radiance was some 6 percent fainter than it is today, and as glaciers spread southward, they grew to monstrous size until they covered the entire Earth from pole to pole -- producing the "snowball Earth" that scientists have argued about for a century or more.
This latest account of what may have happened during a time that scientists call the Proterozoic Era is being published today in the journal Nature by a team headed by Yannick Donnadieu of France's Climate and Environmental Science Laboratory and including Joseph Meert, a geologist who researches evidence for ancient climates at the University of Florida.
In a telephone interview Wednesday, Meert conceded that in this snowball debate among scientists he has been known as highly skeptical that the events ever occurred at all.
"The models proved so persuasive, and the evidence we obtained from magnetic changes in the Earth's crust and the geochemistry of the ancient rocks seemed so convincing, that I finally said, 'Well, so be it, it's a highly plausible scenario, and now it's up to others to test it' -- that's science," Meert said.
In fact, Meert said, it's highly likely that the Earth became a glacier- coated virtual snowball not just that one time with the breakup of Rodinia 750 million years ago, but it may well have happened at least two or three times since then as tectonic forces assembled the Earth's surface into later supercontinents and then broke them apart, too.
"In any event," Meert said, "I think our model will keep the pot boiling for quite a while."
The boiling may well have begun already.
During an interview Wednesday, geology Professor Grant Young at the University of Western Ontario said he saw many flaws in the report by the French-American team.
Young said he had been researching the question all over the world for the past three decades and had found evidence for major glacial advances during the Proterozoic Era in only three places: in rocks along the north shore of Lake Huron in Ontario, in southeastern Wyoming and in northern South Africa.
"I've found no evidence of global glaciation," Young maintained, "and it's a wild idea."
Young always has been highly skeptical of computer models, he said, because as a field geologist, he needs to see the direct evidence in the rocks. "Nature is very complicated," he said, "and this model doesn't fit the known evidence we have."
So how much carbon dioxide will a cube a kilometer on a side of weathered gravel of average composition) absorb per year at 0.02% carbon dioxide in the air? I would guess, not enough to bring glaciers to the Equator. Neil
There are several stratigraphic sequences in the Grenville of Canada that suggest pre-Cambrian glaciation. But I have to beg ignorance. This is a model that assumes the qualified analyst will have known the distribution of glaciation evidence in Rodinia. Im sorry , I dont know enough to give even a credible bullshit answer. Ill keep my Eye open in my literature for maps that display Rodinia glacial evidence.
For what its worth, there is ample evidence of Post Grenville (0.8 ByBP) for stream deposits and shallow oxygenated seas. So, Im going to have to remain an evidence skeptic till shown
stratigraphy, isotope data, and , of course, wide=spread glacial scours and paleo moraines
The emporia instructor has summarized much of what we know , except the difficulty in determining pole wandering and reversals. So the Stuartian is, as I also understand, the time period were talking about and the evidence for non-glaciated areas are correct. Unless these only represent ice free enclaves, we need to correlate more ice free areas with the glacial event to see how wide spread were talking about. As you can see, this has been discussed for a few years.
Somebody is going to take this on as a dissertation or thesis topic and the publish it in GSA. ill wait
farmerman wrote:There are several stratigraphic sequences in the Grenville of Canada that suggest pre-Cambrian glaciation. But I have to beg ignorance. This is a model that assumes the qualified analyst will have known the distribution of glaciation evidence in Rodinia. Im sorry , I dont know enough to give even a credible bullshit answer. Ill keep my Eye open in my literature for maps that display Rodinia glacial evidence.
For what its worth, there is ample evidence of Post Grenville (0.8 ByBP) for stream deposits and shallow oxygenated seas. So, Im going to have to remain an evidence skeptic till shown
stratigraphy, isotope data, and , of course, wide=spread glacial scours and paleo moraines
JM: The evidence for glaciation during the interval from ~750-580 Ma is unequivocal (have a look at Evans, 2000 Am J. Sci., v. 300). The real question is whether or not the glaciations were synchronous and global. There are a number of unresoved issues regarding the extent and synchroneity of the glaciations, the paleogeography and triggering mechanisms. Evans (2000) article gives a nice overview of these issues even though it is getting outdated a bit. I think many of us (myself included) remain skeptical of the hard snowball hypothesis, but these things must be tested anyway. What our paper showed is one possible mechanism that might trigger a snowball event. We can't say for sure that it happened, or that it happened this way, but we can show that given the constraints we have it COULD have occurred. There will be lots more to debate in the coming years.
Cheers
Joe Meert
Hey joe, glad to have another geoguy on board. Im an economic geologist dealing with mostly rare earth ores and strat of secondary enrichment deposits.
Ive seen evidence of a number of PCambrian glacial events and was curious about their geographic extent. What is the geochemistry evidence that supports such glaciation? Is it isotopic evidence in paleosols?
farmerman wrote:Hey joe, glad to have another geoguy on board. Im an economic geologist dealing with mostly rare earth ores and strat of secondary enrichment deposits.
Ive seen evidence of a number of PCambrian glacial events and was curious about their geographic extent. What is the geochemistry evidence that supports such glaciation? Is it isotopic evidence in paleosols?
JM: It's actually large swings in 13C in carbonates above and below the glacial rocks. There is considerable debate as to whether the signal is global and robust, but the argument has been made that the excursions are real and correlatable. Hoffman and Schrag's work describes the details fairly well (you can find a decent summary in Terra Nova last year but I don't recall the exact reference).
Cheers
Joe Meert
Hmmm, Ill have to run to the U library since TN has gone to the annual format. Thanks.
This was first published in the American Scientist several years ago (I've forgotten the issue). What interested me about that article was that the authors hypothesized that this was the mechanism that moved ocean based life beyond the microbe stage by concentrating remnants around deep ocean hot springs thereby isolating what was previously a generic world wide DNA and creating diversity.