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Wed 12 Jun, 2013 06:35 pm
Concentration camps were not invented by evil Germans.
No, actually “Concentration Camps” for civilians were invented by the British Army. In 1902-1903, Rothschild controlled Britain was completing a War they declared on the White people of South Africa, which is called “The Boer War” from 1899-1902. The British wanted to teach the Dutch/Boer people of South Africa a lesson that they would never forget. The British decided to round up over 35,000 Dutch Woman and children and imprison them in “Concentration Camps”. They allowed all these Dutch/Boer people to die a horrible death by allowing them to get Typhus and die from starvation. The British fed them a little, mostly rotten meat containing little metal fish hooks throughout the rancid meat. As a consequence 35,000 Dutch woman and children died due to the inhumane monstrous British polices. This in part, due to the horrible physiological effects on the Dutch/Boer freedom fighting men, who had now lost their loving families, led to the South African’s surrendering and losing their war for their continued independence to Rothschild Britain, who then seized control of the South African Diamond and Gold mines for their own selfish evil agenda’s.
As usual, you're wrong. You don't know a goddamned thing about history. Concentration camps were invented by the Spanish in Cuba.
@Setanta,
Indeed. And while that has been in 1885, the Russians built concentration camps in 1918.
A certain German local NSDAP-official, Munich's "acting" police president Heinrich Himmler, said on March 20, 1933: "
Am Mittwoch wird in der Nähe von Dachau das erste Konzentrationslager eröffnet. Es hat ein Fassungsvermögen von 5000 Menschen. Hier werden die gesamten kommunistischen – und soweit notwendig: Reichsbanner- und marxistischen – Funktionäre, die die Sicherheit des Staates gefährden zusammengezogen." ('On Wednesday the first concentration camp will be opened near Dachau. It has a capacity of 5000 persons. There, the entire communist - and as far as necessary: Reichsbanner and Marxist-officials, who put the security of the state at risk, will be concentrated here.')
@count markovalley,
The real predecessor to the Holocaust was the Herero and Namaqua genocide, considered to have been the first genocide of the 20th century. It took place between 1904 and 1907 in German South-West Africa (modern day Namibia). The total annihilation of the Herero was the goal of the colonial administration. The number of casualties is still debated, probably about 100,000 people. The approach included concentration camps such such as that at Shark Island, where the German authorities forced them to work as slave labor until death.
At the end of WW1 all German colonies were confiscated. Interestingly, the "brown shirts" of the SA were surplus material from the defunct German colonial troops, the very same troops who exterminated the Herero...
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:Interestingly, the "brown shirts" of the SA were surplus material from the defunct German colonial troops, the very same troops who exterminated the Herero...
The background of that is printed (in German, with sources) in the
Vokabular des Nationalsozialismus ('Vocabulary of National Socialism)
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
The real predecessor to the Holocaust was the Herero and Namaqua genocide, considered to have been the first genocide of the 20th century. It took place between 1904 and 1907 in German South-West Africa (modern day Namibia).
Actually, more people died during the Maji Maji Rebellion (1905 -1907) in German East Africa (Tanzania): more than 100,000 died.
@Walter Hinteler,
It's not a matter of how many people died, it's about what the intent was, and what techniques were used. In Namibia, the intent was ethnic cleansing and genocide, not just the repression of a revolt. The Brits and Dutch and French and Portuguese and Spaniards have all repressed revolts in their colonies with violent means.
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
It's not a matter of how many people died, it's about what the intent was, and what techniques were used.
Yes. And that's why responded. In Tanzania, the intent was "ethnic cleansing and genocide" in the same way as it was in the Southwest..
@Olivier5,
They didn't have those concentration camps like in the Southwest - they just burnt down the villages completely.
Actually, it is very well documented - especially due to the Reichstag's debates (by the Social Democrats, other left parties and the 'Zentrum' [here dominating Matthias Enzensberger]) against it.
This war/revolt changed the German colony politic completely.
@count markovalley,
We did adopt the practice Mark, however briefly, with Japanese citizens in WWII
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:They didn't have those concentration camps like in the Southwest - they just burnt down the villages completely.
Makes a difference in my view. But you're right that the difference may be smaller than what some historians make of it in hindsight.
@Olivier5,
Walter Hinteler: Makes a difference in my view. But you're right that the difference may be smaller than what some historians make of it in hindsight.
extrafriendlyfire: I think the critical difference is between destroying the inhabitants of an area (to control the area) versus destroying a race in its entirety and using the finest technology and resources to accomplish the task. There is a distinction between ethnic cleansing and genocide and while I realize that any degree of difference between the two may at time seem like splitting hairs, if Southwest Natives moved to Russia no one would have cared unless it was the Nazis who desired to wipe out all people of a certain ethnicity.
@extrafriendlyfire,
Quote:I think the critical difference is between destroying the inhabitants of an area (to control the area) versus destroying a race in its entirety
Hi Marc. Not sure I'm glad to see you here but will give you a chance... :-)
That quote above was my point to Walter, entirely.
This environment allows for much better, automated quoting than on Yahoo so you may want to take advantage of it. Posters here expect you will. Doing so would have avoided you putting my words (about the difference between genocide and suppressing a revolt) in Walter's mouth, for instance.
@Olivier5,
Concentration camps helped to get people moved away from the front and saved many lives.
The Civil War Concentration Camps
By Mark Weber
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p137_Weber.html
@Pamela Rosa,
i know of what you speak. interesting though isn't it?
selling cotton bandages on the battlefield to wounded unionists was not such a good idea.
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