Are you going to heaven?

Smiley you'd have to define "purpose". As far as "science" is concerned, things are the way they are because that's the only way they can be. The apodictical existential pantheist agrees, maintaining however that there's more to the Whole Megillah than the random bouncing of objects, agreeing with the Einstenian view that although the existence of God is a matter of semantics, She's still a pretty remarkable show

Clearly to the pantheist the humanoid has a special place because without it, the entire show seems dreary and meaningless


Your q, Smiley, begs the question. If there's a Conventional God and if there's the supposed heaven, and if our environment is truly the testing ground, why should we assume there will also be an Armageddon

Wouldn't an answer to that q depend upon the nature of the battle. If nuclear then maybe not

Really good q, Smiley

In my laggard mentality also

It isn't so I can't. That's not to say however that I can't fabricate an alternative heaven and hell. They are both here today now and we're living in them

Yes, She (as a natural phenom) requires the humanoid (evolution being another natural phenom) to appreciate Her works while Earth (as well as Sun and the rest of the panoply) proves the only possible means by which She can accomplish this

I believe She intends to sell it property developers.

A goal already largely in effect

Maybe armageddon is what god brings every time he wants to clear the bad guy buffer

Dale I like your refreshing outlook on things, your perceptions are unusual but well thought out.

I was disappointed to be voted down on this one, it is an honest question that I'd really like a rational discussion with someone that has a heaven based belief, whether from the christian, muslim or alternate persuasion

Why thank you Smiley, how flattering

Smiley I'm not sure what you mean by "voted down," since Set and Dal are merely kidding, while I don't think my posting qualifies in this respect

Forgive me Smiley but I'm not quite sure exactly what's meant by that expression

If alternate is pantheistic I can qualify here but I'm not sure there's much I could add. Do you have perhaps a few specific q's

I appreciated Sets and Dals input, both made me smile

I noticed the topic was thumbed down, which I assume is partially by christians wanting to avoid the thread as I know this is a tricky subject. I was hoping for a stand to be made for the other side.

Do pantheists have a heavenly belief? it is one of my lesser understood denominations forgive my ignorance my friend.

Ah now I understand, it's some kind of icon signifying disapproval

Old guys like me are so behind…...

Or just your typical a2k skeptic who seems angry at all times about nearly everything

Forgive me again Smiley but exactly what might one expect the other side to assert

Don't know about the rest but I see heaven (and hell) as here and now, we live in 'em. The idea of "going there" is merely a symbolic means of expressing earthly reward for supposed virtue

mine too

No apologies required, my bud

The thing about going to Heaven is you have to die first. Bummer!

If you read the first few chapters of Genesis, you may conclude if Adam and Eve had not sinned, they would still be here and we not have war and crime and sickness and death. So, would God abandon his purpose just because of their failure? Hardly.

The entire Bible has been written to explain how, when, and why God intends to set things straight. I believe soon.

You believe soon? The cult members believed that in the first century. People have been peddling that end of days crapola ever since. The Watch Tower is going to be obliged to change the language of their theology more and more as time goes on, and "god" fails to "set things right."

Well, I haven't bought my resurrection robe, if that's what you mean, Set. But we are not the timekeepers. If Genesis is correct, the seventh creative day has not yet ended.

That aside, can we agree neither of us can hope to go to heaven?

To the extent that "heaven" is a fairy tale, yes.

Agreed. Except, I would go a bit further and accuse the priesthood of the lies advanced in furtherance of this tale, foremost of which is the idea that the soul somehow survives death.

The existence of a soul is a fairy tale, as well. You're little different than priests, you just peddle different fairy tales, and often peddle the same ones.

I do it for free, Set. Even the coffee would be free, if you could find me at the coffee shop in Top Foods on the corner of Hwy 99 and 220th in Edmonds, WA. Be sure to email first with your beverage of choice.

So? I don't pay anyone for their superstitious maundering, priest or coffee addict.

I don't believe i have yet added this important philosophical analysis to this thread yet . . .

Yeah, but from the religious side, it is the priest who provides Chair à canon

Bible thumpers do an adequate job of providing cannon fodder, too.