Morality (a discussion)

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When if when someone provides me with a self consistent minimal viable product for sale I will cast my vote. A self consistent proposition which is not verifiable will bring me to agnosticism. I have yet to see one.

This statement is clear, take it as you want Frank.
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No I have yet to cast a vote on any of the three options.

1 - I haven't yet found a proof that God exists thus I am not a believer.

2 - I haven't yet found a proof that a potentially coherent concept of God that may be verified does not exist thus I am not an atheist.

3 - And finally, I haven't yet found a coherent concept of God, that may or may not exist, in order to be agnostic about a valid specific ideation of God.

Portugal recently had a pretty serious Covid outbreak but the numbers are half down already with full lockdown. Ty for caring, stay safe up there Frank!

From A-Gnose, Agnose, means without knowledge Frank.

I took care of stating what I can and cannot say with confidence in the post that followed.

In a conversation in another forum, another writer said that his morality is unique to himself. Implying that we all have different moralities. If one is going to define morality as perspective, then what is the purpose of having two words for the same thing?

Morality seems to be a code of ethics, which governs a group of people, but is a choice. An umbrella, under which a group may or may not come under.

Don't get me wrong. Societies may very well impose certain moral standards. These can be enforced by law. Take our Bill of Rights, for example. "We the people, for the people, by the people". The Constitution is said to have been built upon these "inalienable rights". So now we have law, to enforce those rights upon the people.

But, when the question of a "living document" comes into question, the morality of the original thinkers is nullified. The meanings change with the times. As man becomes more debased, then the morality of the laws governing man becomes more debased.

This is why many feel the Constitution should be interpreted as the writers meant it, based upon other writings, comments, etc, of those same people.

The laws of a nation do reflect the morality of the people, in a democratic society.

But then there is the media, which is used to contaminate the minds of the voters, under the guise of "art".

Way back, around June 1692–May 1693, this same form of "Art" was named....

Sorcery.

Mind control tactics, proven in court, and thus the punishment for this vile twisting of one's free will choice, was to suffer the flame.

Horrific to entertain the punishment. But which was it not fitting? The judges back then were not so proud as to think they could not be swayed by the media. They knew full well the possibilities.

Is it moral to burn the witch?

When looked at from this perspective, one would have to say yes.

Show the average American the power of the media, and they would be astounded. Give them a choice in the matter, and they too, like the judges of old, would indeed.....

Burn the witches.

Sir Frank, as to whether or not gods exist, I personally have never seen something come from nothing. Yet, here we are, in this supposed universe. If science is a reflection of Truth, then it stands to reason that there must be "something else", that we do not see, governing these "laws of nature". Something outside of nature, maintaining nature. Giving nature life, in other words, but keeps it all in check, in bounds. Yes there are the ones who defy Law. That is, in the Universe of the one who allows that belief. From that "possibility" grows all that Forces against the Absolute Stasis of Peace.

As for how one comes to "know" God exists, not gods, but God....

Prophecy.

Quite simply stated. The fact that a New Jersey sliver of land, housing a group of people utterly hated by the majority of its surroundings, and is still there, is not accomplished by man or some Zionist conspiracy theory.

The fact that Israel exists, at all, is the proof you seek.

<quote>We can easily deal with "witches."

The danger to our society are the people so thoroughly programed that they want to blame the troubles we face...on "the media."

They are the ones who have to be dealt with.

I'm not saying burn them.

But we should offer them treatment for their psychoses.</quote>

If you cannot see the power the media holds, if Nazi Germany did not prove that power, then you are denying history now. LOL, and claiming to be "rational". Come on man, you don't have to like it, for something to be true.

So ok, any morality, based on Self, is consuming, given no one being everywhere, all the time, and having all things. No single "person" has all that is required to meet these standards. Some might say that Time itself could be a god, but in our understanding of Time, there is a beginning and end. This is another aspect of God that no one can compare with.

Now this Time factor brings me to an understanding of Eternity. When I use the word, I mean a state of "is-ness". I mean literally, "is, was and always will be". The last two get looked at all the time, lol, but the IS-ness does not get considered, because what we currently Experience at any point is what we take as Reality. But our very own psychology admits to the Filter we Experience the world through. Given that filter, and the forceful push of certain filters, the Momentum mankind is dealing with is far more the invisible one that any physical one, and that invisible one is most often in "opposition" to what is required for Life.

Life grows life.

Death grows death.

What we feed, grows.

Life, death, momentum, force, none of which are visible to the naked eye. Yet all have direct effects on all we Experience.

Without Mind, there is no Experience. Without Mind, there is no Brain to Experience.

Just how Eye See it