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A Troll is Outed

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2012 07:23 pm
@roger,
It's a real pain for guys that want to do cross-border driving. We spent a lot of money at a previous employer trying to help our customers work with those forms. They couldn't respond to the documents here ... and if they did, we couldn't help them with what they wanted from us since they had illegally obtained information.
Ceili
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2012 07:27 pm
@ehBeth,
Methinks we're in the same industry...
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2012 08:39 pm
@Ceili,
In practice, confirming dates of employment was about all I ever gave out, unless there was solid reason for a glowing endorsement. I never felt responsible for any conclusions that might have been drawn for the lack a positive report.

Oh, yeah, they often asked if we would rehire the person. I declined that one too.
Ceili
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2012 08:59 pm
@roger,
The woman on the other end of the phone, not the rude one who answered first... told me this was new to her. That Canuck companies regularly gave this info out. I called bullshit.
You have confirmed what I thought.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2012 10:00 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

In practice, confirming dates of employment was about all I ever gave out, unless there was solid reason for a glowing endorsement. I never felt responsible for any conclusions that might have been drawn for the lack a positive report.

Oh, yeah, they often asked if we would rehire the person. I declined that one too.


i recently tried to validate employment with an applicant with a indian casino...i got told that it is tribe policy to not even state that a person was now or was employed by the tribe unless that person comes into HR and signs a letter that they can talk to me specifically. i assume that this has something to do with helping employees shield their income from the government.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 01:22 am
@Ceili,
Privacy laws in the United States are not lax, it's only that you don't know what they are, and neither do a lot of other people. Americans too readily give up their social security numbers, but the original legislation clearly states that an individual cannot be forced to give out the number, and that only the Social Security Administration has any authority to reliease the number, apart from the account holder. What you describe violates the law in the United States, as well. It's a matter of people enforcing their rights. Employers DO NOT have the right to give out personal information about prospective empolyees, even with a written, signed consent. People routinely do, though, because they are ignorant. Strictly following privacy laws, i reached the point at which i would only tell people who inquired if someone had been an employee, and their dates of employment. I would tell them nothing else.

Anyone who gives out their social security number is a fool. Anyone who in any mannter publishes someone's social security number is, effectively, a criminal. If i found that someone had done that, i'd sue them.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 01:36 am
I can give a perfect example of this. Utility companies--gas, electric, water, etc.--routinely insist that a prospective customer provide a social security number. They don't have a right to it, and it's a violation of the social security enabling legislation. They cannot deny your service for refusing to provide your SSAN. People don't know that. Like a bunch of dopes, they just fill in the information. When i arrived in Ohio, i had already learned that. I refused to give out my SSAN. The electric company said, so sorry, no service. I told the lady, OK, i'll contact the public utilities commission. She had a sudden "inspiration," hauled out a thick stack of print-outs, and assigned my account the next number in a sequence of randomly generated, false SS numbers (they start with zero, so they are obviously fake). At the gas company, i was actually obliged to contact the public utilities commission. These people act as though they're being put upon, too.

No American can be required to give their SSAN (Social Security Account Number) to anyone but the Social Security Administration, the Internal Revenue Service, a bank (for IRS purposes), an employer (who remits tax withholding) or a state or local taxing agency. But people are idiots, they do it all the time.

That Indian casino was being smart, you can get sued for giving out almost any information on a former employee apart from dates of employment.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 04:21 am
@Setanta,
Note of information: Because a SSN starts with a zero does not mean it's fake, it was probably issued in New England in the 1950's ....like mine.

I first time I applied for a job in Texas, they said they had never see a SSN starting with zero. I told them to contact all the members of my high school graduating class.

Joe(Zero-##/###/#####)Nation
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 04:23 am
@Setanta,
A thing that bothers me, our SS numbers are the ID numbers on a license to work on air conditioners. I might could have fought it, but it was that or lose my job at the time.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 07:29 am
@edgarblythe,
http://www.gereth.net/blog_irene/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/elvis_social_security_card_1950.jpg

The cards used to clearly state :Not for identification purposes.

Does yours?

Joe(I still have the one I got when I went to work in the tobacco fields.)Nation
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 09:32 am
@Joe Nation,
That could be--the number the electric company gave me was 000-##-####. I was just throwing that out as an example.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 09:39 am
@edgarblythe,
I think there are a lot of cases in which people give up their SSAN rather than object, and for sound reasons. I moved into an apartment complex in 1999, and they insisted on my SSAN, and i refused. They said i couldn't have an apartment, and i said fine. My work phone was on the application, and they called me about three or four days later and said i could have an apartment. I suspect people usually just go along--after all, they're used to giving their SSAN to every Tom, Dick and Harry.

I was once told, and cannot vouch for this, that this porvision went into the social security act because the Republicans were getting hysterical, and said it was the first step tin setting up a polic state, that every citizen would become a number and no longer be seen as a person. So according to the guy telling me this, the privacy provision was put in the act to steal the Republican thunder.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:30 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:



I was once told, and cannot vouch for this, that this porvision went into the social security act because the Republicans were getting hysterical, and said it was the first step tin setting up a polic state, that every citizen would become a number and no longer be seen as a person. So according to the guy telling me this, the privacy provision was put in the act to steal the Republican thunder.


Yeah but that's what's happening anyway. Your SS # has become your govm't ID, as much a part of you as the name on your birth certificate. Call the Social Security Admin. some day (or a number of other govm'nt agcys); they don't care what your name is or how you spell it. The question is always, "What's your Social?" followed by DOB.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 03:30 pm
@Joe Nation,
Reddit Troll Loses Job: Michael Brutsch, AKA Violentacrez, Fired After Identity Exposed By Gawker:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/michael-brutsch-reddits-biggest-loses-job-identity-gawker_n_1967727.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 05:30 pm
@msolga,
Good. There are consequences to being asshole.
Enzo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 06:23 pm
@Joe Nation,
That was his problem, really - he wanted to be a troll and be a respected member of the community, but the thing is that you can't have it both (or you can, but you can't do it with the same handle - you need a sock-puppet for trolling). The fact that he went to such effort to ingratiate himself with the reddit admins is where he went really, wildly wrong. Also, if you have a lot to lose, holy moly, don't risk it all just to post nasty pictures on the internet.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 08:18 pm
@msolga,
I'm not wasting any tears.
thack45
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 08:48 pm
I'll bet he does alright from all this
thack45
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 08:52 pm
@IRFRANK,
IRFRANK wrote:

Good. There are consequences to being asshole.

I wonder what'll happen to Daniel Tosh then
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 08:57 pm
@thack45,
He'll be made president of The Tea Party and claim to be the poster boy for Free Speech.

What I found most disturbing was how many creeps he attracted to his bait. People are criticizing him for starting the topics, but it took an active, interested audience of bobble heads to keep the threads going.
 

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