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There is no WHY

 
 
Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 01:01 pm
For atheists, naturalists and unbelievers, there is no WHY -- only who, what, when and where. Why presupposes that there is an overriding intelligence and there is none, only destiny, fate, kismet.

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What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is WHAT WE DO.
John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 02:15 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Rick you might be essentially correct regarding those three categories but the apodictical existential pantheist maintains an abstract being whose body is the Universe and whose mind is all the activity therein. Doesn't matter what you call it

Intuitively it would appear that the Whole Shebang would be meaningless without the humanoid, in other words that there's something more to the Universe than the meaningless, random, depressing portrayal of particles bouncing off one another. It seems that everything has been adjusted--within a fraction of one percent in some cases--to make evolution possible

But don't ask me about the mechanism by which that was achieved; some of this Entire Megillah has to remain a mystery
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Jet Fire
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 02:19 pm
@Rickoshay75,
But Why?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 02:23 pm
@Rickoshay75,
I also like to mess with HOW.
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north
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 03:27 pm

WHY and HOW don't really matter , both are a diversion from the fact that this is where we live

I'm sure that more advanced beings could careless about the whys and hows and get on with where we are and understand
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 05:04 pm
@north,
HOW is extremely important if you play in science. It comes right after "What the ****?"
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 05:11 pm
@farmerman,
Sometimes a dewtailed investigation into HOW, often leades into the edges of WHY.

WHY does a DNA ribosome always clump itself into groups of 3 pairs of nuclwotidwa
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 06:35 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:


WHY does a DNA ribosome always clump itself into groups of 3 pairs of nuclwotidwa


Okay, I give up. WHY?
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 08:48 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Because it can ! Wink
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 10:18 pm
@farmerman,
I really like that: "the edges of why".
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2012 10:20 pm
@north,
You mean, of course, "could not care less..."
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2012 07:16 am
@Lustig Andrei,
man, is my typing fucked up. Ive taken to watching the keyboard now as I am typing with both hands.
I meant to say

"Groups of 3 nucleotides" not whatever that word was I typed.
Atom Blitzer
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2012 07:41 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
for more protein variation...
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2012 07:55 am
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2012 01:02 pm
@farmerman,
I kind of figured that out, fm. But I still don't know WHY.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2012 03:03 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
me neither but Im sure someone who knows will pipe up.
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imans
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 02:40 pm
@Rickoshay75,
the question why mean to point quality being the truth

the question how or who mean to point quantity being the truth which include the concept of size for the who and the concept of objective reality for the how

that is how why dont mean an answer, it is the answer by itself meaning quality always is the reason, why to prove how any negative or will is simply to support the quality as the only existing fact

so there is always reasons for superficial things and i dont mean objective existence for superficial things i really mean superficial things being never existing really in truth

and that is why how or who never mean to question any but to point itself as the reason showing smthg for being through

so the difference between why and how who is selfishness

why as an answer is selfishless since truly point objective quality superiority

while what is pointing objective things with the how and who in conception of objects mean itself being ends or wills

which in a way prove that quality is really the truth in opposition to quantity

u could b all existence but if u r **** then u r liars and truth is surely elsewhere existing

there cant b smthg to call true so definitive and always unless it is forever right and constant free source so definitive value which justify its quality being permanent

qua lity is to what so determination of values in minimal isolated idea of a thing
quan tity is to where or when so to relative appearance nothing serious in maximal objective dimension that is barely connected with the quantity meant

now u mean quantity as truth for u why would quality b the truth instead of quantity that gives the constant forms of anything existing

bc all is meaning one by destroying itself being any but nothing, and bc u have no quality of bein true so why n how would ur perspective of truth b true



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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 12:25 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:

I kind of figured that out, fm. But I still don't know WHY.


Maybe it's because WHY is a feeling -- can't be described with words.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 01:58 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Quote:
Maybe it's because WHY is a feeling -- can't be described with words.
Interesting by the sheerest coincidence Rick you should so speculate, it's right on as Zen

http://able2know.org/topic/202342-1
JLNobody
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 05:40 pm
@dalehileman,
Dale, as I see it--rightly or wrongly--zen enjoys the absense of such feelings. Zen frees one from questions rather than providing their answers.
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