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fear of the word:socialism

 
 
amorea
 
Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2012 08:06 pm
Americans and especially politicians are afraid of the word: socialism....like it would be equivalent of communism!

Social means communal, what good for the community.. That is why we have social security, social services ( to help ) social circles, socials (=get togethers)
Many Europen countries are capitalists, profit making free societies, but also CONSCIENTIOUS to take care of the basic needs of their society's citisens basic needs, health care, senior care, education.
Unfortunately lots of americans do not visit , can not afford to visit other Europen countries to see what they do, what other solution can exist and can work
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2016 06:17 am
@amorea,
I didn't know where to put this article, but it was too funny to ignore. Seems Corbyn still has his country in a froth. (I really like him). Anyway, the more rabid anti-Corbyn criticism has engendered a funny Twitter hashtag...
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-now-making-fun-of-the-media-by-naming-ridiculous-things-jeremy-corbyn-should-resign-over--ZJfoVmz2eb
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Senter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2017 09:55 pm
@amorea,
Amorea, you are correct. In fact, for 70-80 years, since the years when socialism and socialist politics were enormously popular in the U.S., the government has been terrified of workers organizing. The cold war only added to the situation and consequently we have had 70-80 years in which, due to heavy propaganda, any open discussion of the pros and cons of capitalism, socialism, and/or communism has been taboo.

If there is any doubt, consider how you feel about your own prospects for raising a positive position on socialism or communism publicly. There is strong hesitancy. That is the virtual taboo to which I refer. And such hesitation is not found in the citizens of European nations because they didn't have the heavy exposure to propaganda that we've had.

Socialism is collective worker ownership and control of industry and businesses. That condition has never existed in any country anywhere at any time as a finished, stable, effective economic form. So no country has been socialist. And Marx's communism is even a more remote idea.

Capitalism took something around 100 years to get established as a national economic model as well. There were failures. There were problems with figuring it out, -how to make it work and make it stable. So any objection that socialism has "always failed" is hypocrisy.

The approach of the USSR and China presented real, known problems. Since their collapse into state capitalism, socialist around the world have studied what went wrong and what to change in our theory and practice. Solutions are now known well enough to propose and put into action. I find this very encouraging and promising.

I could go on for several pages but I know better. Enough for now. Questions? Clarifications?
hibbitus
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2017 01:30 pm
@Senter,
Only that hunter/gatherer societies seem to have stably existed as communist entities for many tens of thousands of years, much longer than cities or nations have existed.
Socialism seems to be our natural state. However, populations over a certain size, eg. large enough to build cities seem to be easy prey for sociopaths and sociopaths don't like to share. I would argue that socialism has a much longer history of success than monarchy, feudalism, capitalism or any other "ism" you can think of.
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