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Forget KaZaA!! (or: I discovered Soulseek)

 
 
nimh
 
Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 05:40 pm
... [Edited ... oh, and before responding read Craven's post below first] ...

OK, so those of you who know me a little bit, know that I'm a bit of a music freak, with, at that, a penchant for the more obscure bits of rather divergent genres. And y'all woulda guessed that, in my circumstances, I've been making, eh, optimal use of first Napster, then KaZaA, these last few years. Or KaZaALite, to be precise, cause I dont like all that spyware **** that the official KaZaA unloads on you. I tried a few other P2P programs, BearShare, LimeWire, but wasnt too impressed - I could only find a fraction of what I found through KaZaA. Which makes sense, cause the more users, the more music. Is what I thought. Until just a few days ago, I discovered a new one.

The name is Soulseek. It works mostly the same as KaZaA, few extras. Apart from searching by track/artist, you can add something to your wishlist, and then you get an automatic notification once a user comes online that has it. Its also got a "things i like" function, that, once you've entered a bunch of stuff you like, provides you with tips about things other users have that you might like too. Where a track gets remotely queued in Kazaa when there's too many uploads going on from that user, here you can get a "place in line" and only need to wait. Its got chatrooms per genre, with a tilt towards the more obscure (japanese music, psytrance, polska hip-hop, early reggea, happy hardcore). But who gives a toss about chatrooms - it's the music! And man, I feel like a kid who's got to sneak into a candystore! I have this list of tracks and artists that I'm still looking to find, eh, more info on, but I never ever got more than a "search finished without any result" on 'em with KaZaA - and just typing in a random first one or two, I get literally dozens of matches here for each of them!

Soulseek seems to have a lot fewer users, actually, but they all seem to have thousands, often over a dozen thousand tracks (in KaZaA, I was a heavy user with 1,300 mp3s). It probably helps that the program makes it possible to download entire folders as well as single tracks. How it works is you can share multiple (sub)folders. And just like at Kazaa you've got this "find more from same user" function that noone ever seems to use, here you can rightclick another user's name to browse his files. And if those files happen to be in neat artist-specific folders or something (and they sometimes are, cause these are the kind of people that would have 10,000 mp3s Wink, you just download the entire folder. The users whose folders you'll wanna be browsing are easier to find too, cause the chatrooms have userlists as well, so you can rightclick from there too - and the rooms are by genre, so there you go. And people use it - first day I left myself online, I found a bunch of users each uploading a whole range of tracks of mine. That probably explains why its so easy to find obscure or rare music ... cause 13,000-mp3 sharers are I guess more likely to share some obscure DJ's turntable experiments as well as some major pop diva's ditties than the 130-mp3 sharers on KaZaA, huh?

Anyway - I was enthusiastic, thought I should let you know. Few pointers. Its all illegal I guess, all P2P is, isn't it? (I know **** about any of that). Also, DON'T download anything from http://www.slsk.org. They've let the domain lapse and some German bought it up - if you click download, you'll download some dialer, not the P2P software. (You can tell it's a dud cause the forum, faq etc don't work either). The one you need is at http://www.slsknet.org. Share the love ;-)
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 05:48 pm
P2P is not illegal. Downloading music without the right to do so is, and because of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act it is illegal to divulge information on how to circumvent copyrights.

So please do not start discussions here about how to download copyrighted songs.

Discussion of P2P networks is fine, and how to use them. But only because P2P has legally legitimate uses.

But if you specify artists whose songs you are downloading you are clearly discussing copyright infringement.

Big guys like Google have lost this battle (they were forced to take links to Kazaa Lite out of their SERPs because it's an illegal software modification), we can't afford these battles here.

I know it doesn't make sense, especially things like it being illegal to link to a version of Kazaa without the spyware, but that's the law here and people looking for information on copyright infringement are far more vigilant than people looking for, say, kiddy porn.
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Child of the Light
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 09:01 pm
I hate how CD shops have become almost obsolete.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 09:08 pm
I hate CDs. Seriously, I'd rather buy the download.

I have a 20 GB mp3 player and I prefer to buy my music in digital format. All my CDs are used only once (to rip them to mp3s).
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 06:16 am
Child - I still miss the old record stores, with racks of vinyl albums and cute 7"s to browse through! Interesting or beautiful covers, cool lyrics sheets or whatever, and the odd coloure or otherwise novelty disc ...

CD's ... I dont have nuthin with CDs. No emotional attachment, whatsoever. They're too small to allow the booklets or covers to be in any way pretty or all too useful, and this disc itself .. 's like floppy discs to me, no-intensity object.

I only buy a CD now if the music cant be found online or if I think its so good, I just gotta have it. Or it needs to be something special, a box set or something.

Craven, are you gonna get one of those iPod things? They seem to be all the rage in England ... but I guess, if you already have a 20GB mp3-player ...

Anyone else got an iPod? Whatsit like?
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 07:48 am
Hey anyone seen that film, it was on our TV recently, "High Fidelity"?

Good film. About a record store owner. Recommend it.

Bookmark
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 09:39 am
Yeh, High Fidelity was cute. The book too.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 10:38 am
nimh wrote:

Craven, are you gonna get one of those iPod things? They seem to be all the rage in England ... but I guess, if you already have a 20GB mp3-player ...


I have iPods competing product, the Creative Zen Nomad. Creative's mp3 players are a MUCH better deal for the price.

As to what they are like, I could not imagine using any other meidum for music.

For example, I could fit between 5,000 to 8,000 songs on mine and it's only a bit biggesr than a pack of cigs.

It also serves as a backup harddrive, heck I have A2K backed up on it (just the files, not the database).

Because it's so convenient I would not ever use CDs.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 10:41 am
Bookmarking
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Child of the Light
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 06:05 pm
High Fidelity had Jack Black in it, he was great. I love going into CD shops, and searching for a CD. Then the suprise of what does the CD have on it, what is in the booklet. It is so great!
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pueo
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 07:29 pm
what fishin' said
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Tyrius
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 08:15 pm
Shareaza is also a good p2p client. Bittorrent is simply marvelous. To find sources to download go to www.suprnova.org for bittorrent
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 08:39 pm
I usd Kazza a while back but found the quality of the downloads lacking and inconsistant. I've ripped my entire CD collection to MP3s (I rip all of mine at 320K/s) on my hard drive but there are others that I'd like to pick up.

How do the files on these other systems (pay or otherwise) compare from a quality perspective? I used MP3.com for a while but their files were all at 128k/s which seemed like a rip off to me. If I'm going to pay for MP3s I don't want low quality rips (I can always re-rip a higher speed track to lesser quality if I want to later on for some reason..)
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 09:44 am
fishin' wrote:
I usd Kazza a while back but found the quality of the downloads lacking and inconsistant. I've ripped my entire CD collection to MP3s (I rip all of mine at 320K/s) on my hard drive but there are others that I'd like to pick up.

How do the files on these other systems (pay or otherwise) compare from a quality perspective? I used MP3.com for a while but their files were all at 128k/s which seemed like a rip off to me.


Yeh it's true, with KaZaA you cant see what quality bitrate it is until you've downloaded the track, right?

If you do a Soulseek search, you get "Attributes" for each result, i.e. length and bitrate. I did a random search (Cornershop), got some 19 screens worth' of results, and the median bitrate seems to be about 160k/s. There's some 8+ screens worth' of 128k/s and lower mp3s, but also some 7+ screens worth' of 192k/s and higher mp3s.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 09:57 am
nimh wrote:
Yeh it's true, with KaZaA you cant see what quality bitrate it is until you've downloaded the track, right?


I'm not sure how the current version of Kazaa works but on older versions you could see the file attrributes (including bitrate) as you mention for Soulseek.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 10:26 am
Kazaa allows you to see the bitrate, it's under the "Quality" column.

From some work I did with Kazaa Lite in the past I remember something about Kazaa having a ceiling on the bitrate they'd find for you and Kazaa lite eliminating this limitation.

I was under the impression that it was a move to try to appease the record label or that it was designed to promote their idea of their premium listings.

But I may have my facts mixed up on that.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 10:34 am
Oh, cause I checked it in KaZaA just after I posted, and I could see all kinds of things for the search results (download time, size, etc), but not bitrate.

It does have this (new, I think) field called "Integrity", which seems to be empty for pretty much all files except the occasional one that says "Excellent", though I haven't ever really discovered what it would correlate to.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 10:38 am
Some of the fields are off the screen to the right. I always just drag the ones I want onto the screen and push the others off into the hidden area.

Nimh, the integrity rating is a user, submitted rating. I don't think it's new, I remember it there a few years ago.

If you go to your files in "My Kazaa" and right click on a file you will see the ability to rate the file.

Thing is, it's supposed to be for file integrity but is most often used to rate the media and not the media file.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 11:25 am
Craven de Kere wrote:
Some of the fields are off the screen to the right. I always just drag the ones I want onto the screen and push the others off into the hidden area.


No, yeh, I know that, I looked there too. I guess perhaps I messed up. Can you see it?

Craven de Kere wrote:
Nimh, the integrity rating is a user, submitted rating. I don't think it's new, I remember it there a few years ago. [..]

Thing is, it's supposed to be for file integrity but is most often used to rate the media and not the media file.


Yeh, thats what I guessed ... ;-)
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 11:35 am
Yeah, I can see it. The column called "Quality".
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