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Is this the beginning of the end of Rupert Murdoch's media empire?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 07:42 pm
I am bemused at the thought of a pack of politicians declaring anyone to be morally unfit . . .
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 07:45 pm
@Setanta,
I can understand that, Setanta.

But they were a "select committee", appointed to do the job.
And I think it is high time some sort of scrutiny of Murdoch's activities occurred.
Way past high time.
And I (obviously) agree with their assessment.
100%
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 08:20 pm
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2012/05/04/3269340/Moir_cartoon-620x0.jpg
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2012 03:13 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
I am bemused at the thought of a pack of politicians declaring anyone to be morally unfit . . .


Why bemused? Declaring somebody morally unfit is a piece of piss for politicians. It's standard practice. It's just another reverse invidious comparison like declaring someone to be stupid in order to present oneself as being the opposite.

Amused is a better word. Bemused suggests wandering around in a daze.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2012 03:45 am
Today is one of the days of the month that I peek into posts by my "ignored" (of course this ctegory is occupied only by spendius ad JTT). I am amused at how bemused and humour challenged our spendi really is.

msolga
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2012 08:30 pm
George Michael (looking quite the well-heeled business executive! Surprised ) lets fly at the Leveson Inquiry, David Cameron, the Daily Mail, etc on Twitter & got stuff off his chest!

Plus a Leveson Inquiry update:

Quote:
Leveson probe 'sham': George Michael
May 9, 2012 - 10:53AM/the AGE

http://images.theage.com.au/2012/05/09/3281070/dh_michael_20120509055801944526-420x0.jpg
George Michael ... asked to appear at the Leveson Inquiry. Photo: Reuters

Singer George Michael claims he was asked to speak to the Leveson Inquiry into press standards but declined, dismissing it as a sham.

As part of a series of tweets posted on Twitter, the star said: "I was asked to talk to the Leveson inquiry, but I declined. It's all bulls**t.

"It has been several years since two hacking journalists were sent to prison for bugging the royal family. They remain the only people who have been tried in the criminal courts.

"After all these years, and all the crimes committed by journos, editors, the police force and MPs the best can do is 'enquiry' after inquiry, and no actual criminal prosecutions?

"Why on earth are the rights of the royal family more important than those of Milly Dowler's parents, or of any of the hundreds of people whose lives have been violated by the press?

"Shame on our political system for it's refusal to take this further. The day they make this sham real and start genuinely prosecuting people I would more than happy to help. ....till then, what's the point."

During the 15-tweet rant Michael also attacked the Daily Mail, as well as calling Prime Minister David Cameron the "most cowardly PM we've seen for decades".

But a spokesman for the Leveson Inquiry today said George Michael had never been asked to give evidence.

The star's comments come just days before former News International executive Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson are expected to make embarrassing revelations about British politicians' attempts to woo Rupert Murdoch's newspapers.

Mr Coulson, David Cameron's former communications director, will appear before the inquiry on Thursday followed by Mrs Brooks on Friday, and their potentially explosive evidence could overshadow David Cameron's efforts to relaunch the coalition's program after bruising local election results for the Conservatives and Lib Dems. ...<cont>


Leveson probe 'sham': George Michael:
http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/leveson-probe-sham-george-michael-20120509-1ybos.html
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2012 08:51 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:
But they were a "select committee", appointed to do the job.


and it's all entirely meaningless unless they have the power to shut down any of his media outlets or force the breakup of the chain

yammering committees mean nothing
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2012 10:55 pm
@ehBeth,
It depends entirely on whether they were "yammering" or doing their job properly.
I don't have any problem which such committees, so long as they do their research properly & are independent of the biases of the government of the day, when it comes to presenting their findings.
I've not heard of any like committee, here or elsewhere, which has the sort of powers you're suggesting are necessary.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2012 11:55 pm
@ehBeth,

They have more power than you evidently think. Otherwise why do you think all these powerful people would submit themselves to their scrutiny and perhaps humiliation?

If the Murdochs are found, in the committee's final conclusions, to have broken British law and therefore to be unfit to run an overreaching news corporation in this country, this will have resonance in America too.

Looking forward to Rebekah's turn.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 06:19 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
why do you think all these powerful people would submit themselves to their scrutiny and perhaps humiliation?


optics


Can the committee actually make anything happen?
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 07:07 am
@farmerman,
Declaring somebody "humour challenged" is a piece of piss. Such infantile and unintellectual a declaration is a very common propensity for those without the wit to twig the jokes.

Especially if they are the sort who only dare expose themselves to them on certain days of the month. Number magic Ignore.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 07:57 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
yammering committees mean nothing


I'm not too sure about that Beth. A picture emerges as it does in a book by Stendhal. De L'Amour for example.

I watch it live. I'm watching it now. The problem the enquiry is facing goes far wider than it is limited by its terms of reference to be legally able to.

What can one expect when tasked with selling billions of tons of flattened out wood pulp with ink inserts, and zillions of visually decoded electromagnetic radiations, and keeping a very large number of people in jobs they would otherwise not have. It's magical actually. I can usually tell which newspaper a chap reads after a few minutes conversation in the pub.

And they save an even larger number from going mad. The Enquiry doesn't mean nothing to me. It's a damn sight more interesting than Dancing on Ice or Britain's Got Talent. Both of which could do with being investigated.

The victims of the hacking are a lot better off than the victims of a lot of other things and their expressions of outraged dignity are as good a laugh as you can find in the herd's traipse through the wastelands of this weary world of woe and weeping.

It's being so cheerful what keeps me going.

George Michael must have needed another dose of being in the news. To boost his record sales I suppose. I hope so. I wouldn't like to think it is an addiction.

As if anybody takes any notice of a silly sod like that.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 08:21 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Can the committee actually make anything happen?


That depends upon the attitude of the government to which its final report will be delivered.

It is trying to find a balance between a free press and regulation. There is one now of course. It is a question of drift towards one end or the other.

I think there will be more regulation requiring the setting up of taxpayer funded bodies to adjudicate on media activities composed of the sort of people Lord Leveson and Robert Jay QC meet on social occasions and thus are in sympathy with.

We do need to do something about all the people put out of work by the machine revolution. Something harmless and pointless for preference with jokes. Not the sort of jokes fm twigs. His wife probably has to cue his laughs with a meaningful nudge for him to pass muster at a cocktail party.

spendius
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 08:38 am
@spendius,
People should try to remember that the rough deterrent justice handed out by our forebears was because so many of the population were engaged in finding the means of survival, and sometimes failing, that the legal niceties and humane treatments we are used to were simply not possible.

Blaming the Roman Catholic church for such things betrays a complete lack of understanding history and the absence of the slightest sense of proportion. The means of survival today, even allowing that it includes a modicum of comforts, are produced by a small percentage of the population. The rest are engaged in treatment in the community as Mrs Thatcher called it when she closed a lot of asylums. Even the unemployed can be used to provide a whole host of important jobs.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 08:55 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

I think it goes to the difference between morally unfit vs legally unfit. Most people running major corporations are probably morally unfit in one way or another. How else could they run a large company that has to make decisions that puts profits over employees and customers?


I'm quite sure that British (and all other) politicians, including the esteemed Lord Justice Levinson make analogous choices as a matter of routine, and at least as frequently

ehBeth is right on.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 10:03 am
@georgeob1,
I explained a little George my reservations about Beth's remarks but I can see why you might think of them as you do.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 07:31 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Quote:
But they were a "select committee", appointed to do the job.


and it's all entirely meaningless unless they have the power to shut down any of his media outlets or force the breakup of the chain

yammering committees mean nothing


Quote:
Can the committee make anything happen?

Well it depends on what you mean by "make anything happen", or "meaningful".
Remember the Leveson Inquiry (& the parliamentary select committee ) are inquiries, whose briefs were to investigate, deliberate, then make findings & recommendations to government.
That is the function of such bodies, no more & no less, that is the extent of their powers. That is all they can "make happen", as is the case in most similar countries with similar parliamentary processes.
It is then up to the government to respond to their findings & recommendations.

The parliamentary select-committee concluded that Murdoch was "not a fit person to run an international company"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/may/01/rupert-murdoch-not-fit-phone-hacking

This is the brief of the Leveson Inquiry, which is now in progress.:

Quote:
The inquiry has two parts, the first of which is examining relations between the press, politicians and police, and the conduct of each. Its aim is to consider the extent to which the current regulatory regime has failed, and whether there has been a failure to act upon any previous warnings about media misconduct.

In doing this, it has already examined the relationships between the press and the public, and the press and police. It will now move on to consider the relationship between press and politicians.

The second part of the inquiry will look at the extent of unlawful or improper conduct within News International and other media organisations. It will also examine the way in which any relevant police force investigated allegations relating to News International, and whether the police received corrupt payments or were otherwise complicit in misconduct.

It will also consider the role, if any, of politicians, public servants and others in relation to any failure to investigate wrongdoing at News International.

The remit also includes broadcasters and social media networks.


These are the recommendations the Leveson Inquiry will make:

Quote:
The first part of the inquiry will make recommendations on:

a new, more effective policy and regulatory regime which supports the integrity and freedom of the press, the plurality of the media, and its independence, including from government, while encouraging the highest ethical and professional standards

how future concerns about press behaviour, media policy, regulation and cross-media ownership should be dealt with by all the relevant authorities, including Parliament, government, the prosecuting authorities and the police

the future conduct of relations between politicians and the press

the future conduct of relations between the police and the press

The second part of the inquiry will consider the implications for the relationships between newspaper organisations and the police, prosecuting authorities, and relevant regulatory bodies - and to recommend what actions, if any, should be taken.


BBC News - Q&A: The Leveson Inquiry:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15686679

From my perspective, I'd argue that these are very serious issues, which require serious deliberation. I believe the British public also believe they are serious issues. I'd argue that these inquiries were essential to establish the facts of what actually occurred & to to put those facts on the official record.
Of course, the ball will then be in the government's court ... in how they act in response to the findings & the recommendations.
But we will have to wait to see what eventuates, obviously.
(I think I have my facts on the parliamentary select-committee & the Leveson Inquiry right, but please feel free to correct me if I haven't, any UK A2Kers. You're much closer to to what's happening than I am.)



georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 08:43 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:

If the Murdochs are found, in the committee's final conclusions, to have broken British law and therefore to be unfit to run an overreaching news corporation in this country, this will have resonance in America too.

Looking forward to Rebekah's turn.


No detectable reaction here to the moral condemnation of Mr. Murdoch at all. We know better than to assume our media are anything other than self-serving and commercially oriented.

I am perplexed by the lack of qualification in the rather sweeping moral judgment issued with respect to the person of Mr. Murdock. I had thought that English law wisely limited itself to examining whether individual persons did or did not in specific instances violate specific provisions of pre-existing laws, duly constituted, leaving the presumptive power to judge the overall moral fittness or worth of any individual person to the various authoritarian tyrannies that have so stained modern history. I find that a remarkable stretch, and doubt that it could happen here.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2012 08:56 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I find that a remarkable stretch, and doubt that it could happen here.


Ah-hahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

Yeah, right . . . no one here would, for example, try to impeach a sitting President for getting a blow-job in the Oval Office, and then allegedly lying about it.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2012 04:08 pm
@georgeob1,

I have seen it written, and up to now have believed it, that if the Murdochs are found to have broken laws in the UK then the shareholders of News International in the USA may well decide to require them off the board, i.e. to force them to sever their ties with that corporation. In fact, is it not a disqualifier under US law? Certainly, anyone involved in criminality abroad can be prosecuted under US law.
Whether or not they are so prosecuted, they are in deep doo-doo. They cannot shrug this off.

I did not understand ehBeth's "optics" reply. If Murdoch senior is not concerned about the outcome of the Leveson Inquiry, why would he devote his valuable time to attending it? I think it has serious business implications for him, not merely concerning his "legacy" or his reputation.
James Murdoch is toast. In the old bind, either he did not know what his editors were doing, in which case he's incompetent, or he did, in which case he's complicit in a crime.
 

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