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Is this the beginning of the end of Rupert Murdoch's media empire?

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:14 am
@Setanta,
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But at the end of the day, even those folks will have to rely on someone with the skills and resources, and that means the police themselves, or someone who maintains a close relationship with them.

You may well be right about that, Setanta.
But I have seen good work done by such people in the past here. (Fitzgerald Commission).

But in any case, as I said, I really don't know how much relevance this has to the UK situation at the moment.
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:19 am
@Setanta,

Each police force in this country has to report to a local police commitee, comprised largely (I think) of elected members. The Met is nominally independent of government.

In London, the Commissioner reports to The Mayor of London (Boris Johnson at the moment) and his policing committee.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:33 am
@msolga,
Jeeze . . . sometimes i don't know why i bother. I haven't said that such commissions do not or cannot do good. I'm just pointing out the debilities with which they necessarily labor.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:36 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
Jeeze . . . sometimes i don't know why i bother. I haven't said that such commissions do not or cannot do good. I'm just pointing out the debilities with which they necessarily labor.

I didn't think you had said that, Setanta. Confused
And I was responding to that point you made from my own perspective.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:45 am
@msolga,
Actually, I thought we were having an interesting conversation.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 06:09 am
@msolga,
I thought it was interesting. I thought blue ribbon was a chocolate biscuit.

http://www.oldtimeconfection.com/Blue%20Riband%206%20pk.jpg

Sorry, blue riband. You learn something new everyday. Do you think the Blue Ribbon Committee would snack on blue riband biscuits during the breaks, or am I just being silly?
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 06:12 am
@izzythepush,
You're just being silly. Smile
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 06:19 am
@msolga,
Probably, but wouldn't it be brilliant if they did?
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 06:30 am
@izzythepush,
Yes, now that I think about it, it would. Wink
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 12:16 pm
@msolga,
Who's going to suffer more? Murdoch or the USA?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 02:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hard to really give a definitive answer to that when I don't know how much America is hurting, I'm more concerned with what's going on over here as well. Even if the worst happens and Murdoch is forced to divest himself of all his Global Media Assets he will still be an extremely wealthy man.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 02:24 pm
@izzythepush,
I'm not worried about people's wealth, but how they can influence politics and people's thinking on so many issues.

Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are wealthy, but they gave about half of their wealth for helping people around the world - especially children. I admire them for that!

As for the effect on the US from the current crisis in Washington DC, they've already been responsible for the loss of some $700 billion for investors. I would estimate that they are responsible for over a trillion dollars in loss if we count the world markets. That's in addition to how they have impacted the future economy of the world in negative ways. Those already struggling will have it worse off, because donations to good causes will diminish.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 09:47 am
@cicerone imposter,
On the BBC today, the Indian IT company that worked for NI, told the Select Committee that NI had asked for advice on mass email deletion, 9 times between April 2010 and July 2011.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2011 04:52 am
@izzythepush,
The arrests go on and on, from today's Guardian.

Quote:
Stuart Kuttner, the public face of the News of the World and its most vocal public defender for 22 years, has been arrested by police investigating allegations of phone hacking and of bribing police officers to leak sensitive information.

As managing editor until his resignation in July 2009, Kuttner was in charge of finances at the now-defunct tabloid.

Kuttner, 71, was described at the time of his resignation by the last editor of the newspaper, Colin Myler, as a man whose "DNA is absolutely integrated into the newspaper which he has represented across the media with vigour".

Kuttner reportedly did not know he was going to be taken into custody when he arrived by appointment at a police station in London on Tuesday at 11am for questioning. Police were later seen searching his home in Woodford, Essex.

Police from operations Weeting (the investigation into phone hacking) and Elveden (concerning allegations of inappropriate payments to police), are understood to have arrested Kuttner, who has serious health problems and recently returned from treatment in the US.

Kuttner is believed to have been arrested on suspicion of conspiring to intercept communications, contrary to the Criminal Law Act 1977, and on suspicion of corruption contrary to the Prevention of Corruption Act 1906.

They are the same allegations that Rebekah Brooks, the former News of the World editor and ex-News International chief executive, faces since her arrest last month. When Brooks faced a Commons culture, media and sport select committee hearing last month, she told MPs that payments to private investigators were the responsibility of the paper's managing editor's office.

Brooks admitted using private investigators during her time as editor of the tabloid between 2000 and 2003 for "purely legitimate" purposes. When asked whether she had ever discussed individual payments to private investigators with Kuttner, she admitted that "payments to private investigators would have gone through the managing editor's office". But, she added: "I can't remember if we ever discussed individual payments."

News International sought to play down the arrest, telling journalists that it was "no great surprise" and that, as an "ex-employee", it was also of no great consequence. But that underplays Kuttner's key role as the public face of the News of the World under Brooks and her replacement, Andy Coulson, both of whom were reluctant to talk to the media.

When Brooks's Sarah's Law campaign caused public hysteria in some towns and cities, with protests against suspected paedophiles by some Portsmouth residents during which cars burnt in Portsmouth, it was Kuttner who faced the cameras. He also played a role in the paper's dealing with Sara Payne in the years after her eight-year-old daughter, Sarah, was abducted and murdered in July 2000.

The Guardian revealed last week that Payne's mobile phone had been targeted by private investigator Glenn Mulcaire at a time when key executives were working hard to forge what Payne believed to be a close and genuine friendship. Kuttner attended her parents' funerals.

No reason was given for Kuttner's departure from the newspaper two years ago, shortly before the Guardian exclusive that blew the phone-hacking story wide open. At the time, News International said he would continue to work on "specialised projects", including its Sarah's Law campaign. In February 2008, he appeared on Radio 4's Today programme and claimed the News of the World was a "watchdog" which guarded against corruption among those in positions of power.

"If [the use of private investigators] happens, it shouldn't happen," he said. "It happened once at the News of the World. The reporter was fired; he went to prison. The editor resigned."

He went on to argue that British journalism is "a very honourable profession" and that newspapers such as the News of the World had to act as watchdogs because "we live in an age of corrosion of politics and of public life – degradation".

He visited Soham in 2002, following the disappearance of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, to defend the tabloid's decision to offer a reward of £150,000 in conjunction with the Sun newspaper for information that could lead to their safe return.

He also appeared on the BBC's Breakfast with Frost, responding to criticism of the reward and saying the man leading the investigation into the girls' disappearance, Detective Superintendent David Hankins, had welcomed it. The arrest of Kuttner, who was news editor at the London Evening Standard before moving to the NoW in 1987, is the 11th by Operation Weeting police. He is expected to be released on bail until October. Others arrested and bailed have included Coulson, ex-assistant editor Ian Edmondson, ex-chief reporter Neville Thurlbeck, senior ex-journalist James Weatherup, freelance journalist Terenia Taras, an unnamed 63-year-old man and ex-royal editor Clive Goodman.

Operation Elveden was also involved in Kuttner's arrest. Elveden officers are being supervised by the IPCC.


Another point, with all the furore regarding paedophiles and Sarah's law, one of the 'paedophiles,' named and shamed by the NOTW was a 17 year old lad who had consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 06:12 am
Major stuff happening right now
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/aug/16/phone-hacking-scandal-live

12.47pm: The Goodman evidence is certainly a bombshell.

In a letter to the head of News International's head of human resources Daniel Cloke (now at Vodafone), Goodman says Crone and Coulson promised he could have his job back when he got out of jail if he did not "implicate" the paper in wider phone hacking allegations.

Worse, two versions of the Goodman letter were supplied to the committee - one, supplied by News International, redacted to remove all references to hacking being discussed in editorial meetings.


Davies reports:

In a particularly embarrassing allegation, he adds: "Tom Crone and the editor promised on many occasions that I could come back to a job at the newspaper if I did not implicate the paper or any of its staff in my mitigation plea. I did not, and I expect the paper to honour its promise to me." In the event, he lost his appeal. But the claim that the paper induced him to mislead the court is one that may cause further problems for News International.

Two versions of Goodman's letter were provided to the committee. One which was supplied by Harbottle and Lewis has been redacted to remove the names of journalists, at the request of police. The other, which was supplied by News International, has been redacted to remove not only the names but also all references to hacking being discussed in Coulson's editorial meetings and to Coulson's offer to keep Goodman on staff if he agreed not to implicate the paper.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 08:21 am
@hingehead,
This is the text of jailed News of the World royal editor Clive Goodman's letter to News International, via the 'Scotsman'

Quote:
Daniel Cloke Esq.
Group Human Resources Director
News International
1 Virginia Street
London E198 1HR

March 2, 2007

Dear Mr Cloke,

Re: Notice of termination of employment


I refer to Les Hinton's letter of February 5 2007 informing me of my dismissal for alleged gross misconduct.
The letter identifies the reason for the dismissal as "recent events". I take this to mean my plea of guilty to conspiracy to intercept the voicemail messages of three employees of the royal family.
I am appealing against this decision on the following grounds:

i The decision is perverse in that the actions leading to this criminal charge were carried out with the full knowledge and support of (BLANKED OUT]. Payment for Glen (sic) Mulcaire's services was arranged by (BLANKED OUT].

ii The decision is inconsistent, because (BLANKED OUT] and other members of staff were carrying out the same illegal procedures. The prosecution counsel, the counsel for Glen (sic) Mulcaire, and the Judge at the sentencing hearing agreed that other News of the World employees were the clients for Mulcaire's five solo substantive charges. This practice was widely discussed in the daily editorial conference, until explicit reference to it was banned by the Editor. As far as I am aware, no other member of staff has faced disciplinary action, much less dismissal.

iii My conviction and imprisonment cannot be the real reason for my dismissal. The legal manager, Tom Crone, attended virtually every meeting of my legal team and was given full access to the Crown Prosecution Service's evidence files. He, and other senior staff of the paper, had long advance knowledge that I would plead guilty. Despite this, the paper continued to employ me. Throughout my suspension, I was given book serialisations to write and was consulted on several occasions about royal stories they needed to check. The paper continued to employ me for a substantial part of my custodial sentence.

iv Tom Crone and the editor promised on many occasions that I could come back to a job at the newspaper if I did not implicate the paper or any of its staff in my mitigation plea. I did not, and I expect the paper to honour its promise to me.

v The dismissal is automatically unfair as the company failed to go through the minimum required statutory dismissal procedures.

Yours sincerely,

Clive Goodman

cc Stuart Kuttner, Managing Editor, News of the World
Les Hinton, Executive Chairman, News International Ltd



izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 09:19 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks for that Walter I've just got back from London, and heard a 'snippet' on the radio, so it's good to know what's going on.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 02:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
So what impact does this have on the status of the parliamentary hearing that James & Rupert Murdoch participated in, not so long ago?

Are we likely to see them recalled for yet another "please explain" hearing, given this fresh, damning evidence?

And, just curious .....if people who have given evidence in such hearings appear to have not been honest, are there any consequences at all?
McTag
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 02:57 am
@msolga,

Yes. James Murdoch at least will be recalled to explain his previous statements to the parliamentary committee..

I wonder if they have the power to compel him to attend?

Anyhoo, he is toast.

Excellent.

I wonder what sort of a summer Rebekah is having?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 03:02 am
@msolga,
James will almost certainly be recalled to give evidence. Theoretically misleading parliament is a crime, and there is a cell in the House Of Commons for such malefactors. In reality it's never used for anything other than a tourist attraction. James Murdoch's position in both NI and Sky would be untenable.

He may be subject to criminal trial, but I think he may have put enough distance between himself and the hackers to escape that. What is more interesting is how Coulson is tainted by all this, and how Cameron's judgement has been shown to be appalling
 

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