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Is this the beginning of the end of Rupert Murdoch's media empire?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 05:41 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Murdoch is associated in the minds of anyone who cares to investigate the ownership with Fox News, so small wonder that Mr. Obama is unimpressed with his sorrows.


We have quite powerful regulations about broadcast news over here, regarding bias and truth. Fox News is shown over here, but it's way too American to appeal to anyone other than ex-pats and people like myself that have an interest in wider news broadcasting.

It is used as a warning of what would happen to Sky News were Muroch able to crush Ofcom and take full ownership of BSkyB. Those same people tend to wax lyrical about how good Sky News is. It's not, it's like the BBC for people who are as thick as ****. It also has ad breaks, and has noway near BBC News share of the market. Channel 4 news is also very good as is Al Jazeera. The Iranian backed propaganda Press TV is more reliable and accurate than Fox though as is RT.

What these channels do is ignore everything bad about their own countries and focus on injustices perpetrated by the West, and America in particular. They're very careful not to broadcast blatant lies, but focus on human rights violations in Latin America, a lot of which can be linked to multinationals. During the Royal Wedding RT lead with an interview with the girlfriend of an anarchist arrested by police in a dawn sweep prior to the wedding.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 05:45 am
OK, what the hell is RT?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 06:00 am
@Setanta,
Sorry, Russian Television.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 06:43 am
@izzythepush,
Brooks has just been arrested.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 07:02 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:

Woman arrested over hacking scandal
Updated July 17, 2011 22:53:15

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/2798072-3x2-340x227.jpg
Rupert Murdoch with Rebekah Brooks Photo: LtoR Chairman of News Corporation, Rupert Murdoch, and Chief Executive of News International, Rebekah Brooks, leave Murdoch's London residence shortly after Murdoch arrived in Britain to take personal charge of the phone-hacking scandal that felled his News of the World tabloid, July 10, 2011. (Max Nash: AFP)

British police have arrested a woman - reportedly former News International chief executive Rebekah Brooks - over the phone hacking scandal.

Scotland Yard said in a statement that a 43-year-old woman had been arrested over allegations of phone hacking and corruption.

They would not confirm it was Brooks, 43, and there was no immediate comment from News International.

However Sky News, which is part of Murdoch's British media empire, and the BBC both reported it was Brooks.

Brooks resigned as head of News International on Friday.

The woman was reportedly arrested by appointment at a police station in London and is currently in custody, the Metropolitan Police said in a statement, without identifying her.

"She was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to intercept communications ... and on suspicion of corruption allegations," it said.

Those arrested so far over the scandal include British prime minister David Cameron's former communications chief and one-time News of the World editor Andy Coulson.

AFP


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-17/reports-brooks-arrested-over-hacking/2798066
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 07:24 am
@msolga,
Guardian columnist Michael White was just interviewed on the BBC. He said it was more to do with the police appearing to do the right thing. She should have been arrested years ago. It also means she will be very tight lipped when she appears before the select committee. He said Murdoch is just starting to realise how much of a cock up this was. When he first arrived in the UK he said his priority was Brooks, and that they'd already apologised. This did not go down at all well. Now he's paid for public apologies in newspapers. Also this arrest was prearranged, so she probably knew when she resigned.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 07:26 am
Quote:
The questions the select committee must ask Rebekah Brooks, James and Rupert Murdoch
EDITORIAL
Guardian.co.uk, Saturday 16 July 2011 21.45 BST

Those figures at News International behind the phone-hacking scandal must now come clean

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/16/observer-leader-rupert-murdoch-phone-hacking
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 10:03 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015624/Rupert-Murdoch-face-US-court-Jude-Law-phone-hacking-NY-claim.html#ixzz1SMsmJvSU

First allegations of hacking on US soil.

Cycloptichorn
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 10:33 am
@Cycloptichorn,
If the Solicitor General can show criminal conspiracy at high enough levels, they can prosecute under RICO--it would be great to see his holdings broken up.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 10:41 am
@Setanta,
Oops, sorry . . . for our non-American members, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as RICO, has been used not simply against organized criminal groups, but as a sort of omnibus act to prevent higher level managers from hiding behind their subordinates to avoid prosecution. The classic case is prosecuting a mob boss who ordered a murder, while not actually committing that crime. But it has been used in a wide variety of prosecutions (not all of them successful), including the Catholic church in sex-abuse cases, corrupt police departments, Major League Baseball, and anti-abortion activists. This is just the sort of thing which could be used to get at Murdoch, or the managers at the level just below him.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 11:07 am
@Setanta,
Rico's not one of the Sopranos then?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 11:14 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
The growth of the federal criminal code has come in the wake of attempts by politicians and federal bureaucrats to “do something” about perceived crime rates, to stop illegal drug use by Americans, and to punish individuals who engage in “whitecollar” crime. In the process of expanding the federal role in identifying and prosecuting “criminal” behavior, however, the federal government has become a formidable conviction and imprisonment machine. Unfortunately, as Rosenzweig writes, many of the “crimes” and punishments can be described only as arbitrary, reflecting neither the seriousness of the offense nor the harm (if any) caused to other individuals.

Much of the growth of federal criminal procedures has been tied to the expanded use of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), which Congress passed without much opposition in 1970 as the centerpiece of President Richard Nixon’s “Crime Bill.” In this article, we focus on prosecutions under RICO. In many ways, this law has turned out to be a modern-day rendition of the infamous Waltham Black Act of 1723, which, according to Follett, “originally outlawed poaching in disguise or in ‘blacked’ face, but judicial interpretations soon divorced its various provisions from their original context, leading to a list of fifty or more crimes punishable by death” (2001, 21).

Similarly, RICO has metastasized from its original intent, which was to deal more effectively with the perceived problem of organized crime. Federal prosecutors have discovered that RICO is a powerful weapon that can be wielded against most business owners, should the feds choose to target them. Rudy Guiliani’s prosecution of Michael Milken and other Wall Street luminaries in the 1980s—the springboard from which Guiliani rose to become first the mayor of New York City and ultimately a popular public speaker collecting $75,000 per speech—involved some of the early attempts to expand criminal RICO provisions to prosecute private business figures who clearly were not mafiosi. Today, federal prosecutors use RICO routinely to win easy convictions and prison terms for individuals who in the course of business run afoul of federal regulations. For every John Gotti who is brought down by RICO, many obscure business owners and managers are also successfully prosecuted under this law.

Much has been written about the RICO statute.1 Rather than a summary of this vast literature, we offer a view of RICO from another angle, examining how it has revolutionized federal criminal law and how it has been used—with federal judges, members of Congress, and the press acting as cheerleaders—to overturn the protections inherent in due-process guarantees of the U.S. Constitution. Overturn is not too strong a word in this regard, given that in a RICO case, those charged are treated as guilty until proven innocent.

In tracing the development of RICO, we find that the law was little more than a “bait-and-switch” statute that has had little or no effect in stopping or inhibiting the crimes—murder, rape, robbery, and so forth—that most concerned the public in 1970. Instead, RICO has enabled federal prosecutors in effect to circumvent the constitutional separation of powers between the national and the state governments. Since RICO’s passage, the once-clear jurisdictional boundaries between state and federal law enforcement have been erased as more and more individuals find themselves in the federal dock with almost no chance of acquittal.

http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=215

RICO is a hammer that works when others do not, it likely can be used to nail Murdoch. But lets be clear that the American "Justice" system is all about nailing those whom the state has decided that they want to nail, that justice has long since left the building.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 11:46 am
@hawkeye10,
You can wallow in your delusions to your heart's content. I can see no reason to allege that there is any more, nor any less justice in the American judicial system than in any judicial system in the industrialized world. You're just beating your "lone voice crying out in the wilderness" drum again. You're tedious.

EDIT: It's hilarious that you link a libertatian "think tank," tell us again about what a liberal you are.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 11:59 am
@hawkeye10,
hawk, The war on drugs is a huge failure in every sense of the word. We have many in our prisons charged with so-called "drug crimes" that only wastes tax dollars. As with illegal immigration, our governments at all levels pursue the wrong issues to correct problems.

No matter what the humans endeavor to do, they will never achieve any ideal that satisfies all. It doesn't matter what its political system.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 12:11 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
EDIT: It's hilarious that you link a libertatian "think tank," tell us again about what a liberal you are.
It is generally considered to be a conservative think tank, and I am not a liberal, I am a radical leftist who is increasingly hostile to both Liberals and the Democratic Party.

Quote:
You're just beating your "lone voice crying out in the wilderness
I have never been alone, and there are now a lot more people who agree with me than I have ever seen before. Maybe it is time you started to take seriously the objectors, rather than dismissing us as lone wolves who can safely be ignored.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 12:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
As with illegal immigration, our governments at all levels pursue the wrong issues to correct problems.
Thus is part of the argument to depower Washington, by shrinking the government, and bringing the power back home to the people. The power belongs to the people, it is only on loan to the government, and it is high time that those in government be reminded of this.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 12:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I am not a liberal, I am a radical leftist who is increasingly hostile to both Liberals and the Democratic Party.



So radical that you sound just like a tory.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 12:26 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
So radical that you sound just like a tory.
Until we start talking about what I hope and expect people will do with their freedom once we win it back from government oppression.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 12:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
So radical that you sound just like a tory.
Until we start talking about what I hope and expect people will do with their freedom once we win it back from government oppression.


Your sentence is meaningless.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 12:34 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Your sentence is meaningless.
I am sorry that your comprehension skills were not sufficient to extract the meaning.
 

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