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Teenage Domestic Violence. Why do these things happen?

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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 01:40 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I was talking about people being totally selfish, lying to get what they want, thinking it's okay to bash people, etc.

Your understanding of human nature and history is profoundly sad AM. This has been the calling card for most human societies for millennia.

In the alleged good ole days, children were property without rights. Corporal punishment was accepted and encouraged. Blacks weren't considered humans for a long time and slave owners could do whatever they wished to them without any negative consequences. Rape and summary executions were common. These are merely 2 examples.

The concept of Machiavellian self-motivation above others isn't a new one either. We have the historical documents to prove that.

In fact, its quite the opposite of what you are claiming. Although we as a collective society are moving in a glacially slow pace, tolerance of other religions, races, and sexual orientation have lowered violence to these groups to a certain degree.

Yes. These horrible things do in fact still happen. But being naive and sentimental (intentionally or otherwise) for a past that NEVER existed is almost as bad as tolerating these acts in the first place.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 04:59 pm
@tsarstepan,
People always tend to look back with rose tinted spectacles. The world wasn't more innocent, they were. As they grow up and lose their innocence they think it's the world that's changing instead of them.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 05:08 pm
@manored,
I have friends who had abortions in Tijuana and east LA back in the no-years.

And if I did (miss primrose), figure the numbers.

The recent impetus to curtail medical care on this is repulsive to me.
manored
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 05:53 pm
@tsarstepan,
Very well put, tsarstepan.

izzythepush wrote:

People always tend to look back with rose tinted spectacles. The world wasn't more innocent, they were. As they grow up and lose their innocence they think it's the world that's changing instead of them.
Indeed, thats nostalgia.

Our minds dont remember things as they were, but as we felt they were.

Just do again anything you used to do or did as a child to observe this phenomenom. I have been playing games ever since I was a kid... whenever I play a game that I hadndt played for a long time, they are never as good as I remember =)

ossobuco wrote:

I have friends who had abortions in Tijuana and east LA back in the no-years.

And if I did (miss primrose), figure the numbers.

The recent impetus to curtail medical care on this is repulsive to me.
I blame religion, that forces humans to suffer needlessly due to delusion, and, even more sadly, oftenly due to the delusion of others, and not their own.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 07:50 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

I have friends who had abortions in Tijuana and east LA back in the no-years.


In Chicago, prior to the "right to an abortion" became law, many an RN and MD made big, big bucks on the SouthSide of Chicago aborting many an unwanted pregnancy by a 13 yr old girl and her nervous mother. I remember very clearly, when the abortionists went to jail. I also remember the nervous mothers escorting their little girls across the street to where the abortionist lived. By the way, many an abortionist had millions in big bucks and apartment buildings.

Sin always paid very well on the Southside of Chicago.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 07:58 am
@tsarstepan,
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he alleged good ole days, children were property without rights. Corporal punishment was accepted and encouraged. Blacks weren't considered humans for a long time and slave owners could do whatever they wished to them without any negative consequences. Rape and summary executions were common.


Yes, children were property as were women.

Yes, rape was common and even more common today, when you realize that both males and females, of all ages, are raped today.

Corporal puichment was accepted and encouraged during most of the 20 th century in the private Catholic grade and high schools in Chicago. Did it do the kids much harm? As far as the boys were concerned, according to the Brothers and Priests of several all male high schools on the SouthSide of Chicago, discipline of the physical nature did the guys good. If nothing else it kept many a poor kid out of jail and away from drugs and gangs.

Today, there is no corporal punishment in these schools. But we do have the gangs and we do have the drugs.

Miller
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 08:01 am
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People always tend to look back with rose tinted spectacles


Not me! I remember things as they were.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 08:07 am
@manored,
manored wrote:

Its not getting worse, humanity has always been like this. Its just that the global population and communication networks are growing.


When I was in high school,I don't recall any male killing his girl friend. Had this happened, the father of the girl would have taken a baseball bat and killed the teen killer. End of story. Things do change and not for the better.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 08:09 am
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae wrote:

I respectfully disagree. This world does nothing but get more violent all the time. Morals have changed. What used to be considered wrong is now considered right because the "majority" thinks it is okay.


Very true. Otherwise, the sick mother in Florida who was recently found innocent of the murder of her young child would have been found guilty and thusly executed in the "chair".
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manored
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 12:48 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

Yes, rape was common and even more common today, when you realize that both males and females, of all ages, are raped today.
Nope, all ages and sexes have always been raped. Maybe men not as much because its usually men that rape and homosexuality was punished with death, but that hardly makes the past better.

Miller wrote:

Today, there is no corporal punishment in these schools. But we do have the gangs and we do have the drugs.
Gangs didnt quite exist simply because survival was too difficult, people didnt had the time to think on commiting crimes for fun or similar things. Its the same reason why NGOs didnt exist either: In the same way people didnt have time to do bad, they didnt have time to do good.

Miller wrote:

When I was in high school,I don't recall any male killing his girl friend. Had this happened, the father of the girl would have taken a baseball bat and killed the teen killer. End of story. Things do change and not for the better.
As I already mentioned more than once, technology wasnt as advanced so criminals were more likely to get away with their crimes. And if they didnt, the news of said crime were less likely to spread much since, again, technology wasnt as advanced.

There is also the fact that in the past women werent really allowed to break up with their husbands, culturally at least.

Also, why is the father killing the killer with a baseball bat better?

Miller wrote:

Quote:
People always tend to look back with rose tinted spectacles


Not me! I remember things as they were.
Naivete, no one does. Every time you even remember anything your brain modifies the memory.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 12:59 pm
@manored,
manored wrote:

[Also, why is the father killing the killer with a baseball bat better?



It's cheaper. Have you any idea how much a trial costs? This is the sort of blue sky thinking we need if we're ever going to come out of the recession.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 01:53 pm
@izzythepush,
Izzy, sometimes you are very funny.

Far as I know, the rather famous crips started in my neighborhood. Well, it wasn't my neighborhood until I was in my early thirties, but they were there already at the time. I haven't researched gang history, other interests you know, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of the needs of, the psychology of, the territoriality of, gangs are human traits that traverse centuries.
manored
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 02:37 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

It's cheaper. Have you any idea how much a trial costs? This is the sort of blue sky thinking we need if we're ever going to come out of the recession.
You would need to trial the avenging father anyway =)

AND, commiting murder doesnt mean a person is beyond recovery and needs to be executed. Even if they spend the rest of their lives in jail, if things are done right, they can still produce more than they spend by working in it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 03:22 pm
@ossobuco,
Thank you, but I think manored has just stolen a march on me.
Miller
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2011 05:25 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

manored wrote:

[Also, why is the father killing the killer with a baseball bat better?



It's cheaper. Have you any idea how much a trial costs? This is the sort of blue sky thinking we need if we're ever going to come out of the recession.


Why is the father kiling the killer with a baseball bat better? Plain truth is this is the Chicago way of handling things. Go in...get right to the point...end the situation. Amen! Amen! Amen! Let's hear it one more time...AMEN!!
Miller
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2011 05:28 pm
@manored,
manored wrote:

izzythepush wrote:

It's cheaper. Have you any idea how much a trial costs? This is the sort of blue sky thinking we need if we're ever going to come out of the recession.
You would need to trial the avenging father anyway =)

AND, commiting murder doesnt mean a person is beyond recovery and needs to be executed. Even if they spend the rest of their lives in jail, if things are done right, they can still produce more than they spend by working in it.


Sounds like the EASTERN soap method of handling things. Swish...swish... not for me. Go for the jugular and drain that red, red blood. AMEN!!
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2011 05:28 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Thank you, but I think manored has just stolen a march on me.


Sounds like a real big wind to me. Razz
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manored
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2011 05:43 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

Why is the father kiling the killer with a baseball bat better? Plain truth is this is the Chicago way of handling things. Go in...get right to the point...end the situation. Amen! Amen! Amen! Let's hear it one more time...AMEN!!
Thats how the murder happened =)
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 09:45 am
Mankind is sure perplexing, isn't it? Railing against God doing away with what he says is evil yet all the while trying to do the same thing but God is evil when He does it but humans are not. Sad

As a chatter friend of mind would post: SMH. (Shaking my head.) Sad
manored
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 02:07 pm
@Arella Mae,
Evil, like beauty, exists only in the eye of the observer.
 

 
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