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Harry Potter is a Jesus Figure.

 
 
MrIVI
 
Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2011 11:51 pm
I just figured I'd see how many people got offended and/or un-offended by this statement. I am not trying to evangelize with this statement. In fact, I find Harry Potter totally irritating for its ignorant portrayal of witchcraft as if it were a Disney fairytale; the author lacks even a basic understanding of mythology.
 
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 03:18 am
@MrIVI,
Are you implying that witchcraft is not a fairytale?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 03:21 am
@MrIVI,
The author hasn't needed to have a basic understanding of mythology in order to bank more money that you and i will see in our entire lifetimes.
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raprap
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 03:30 am
@MrIVI,
The magic of Harry Potter is that it has gotten people to read in an age where most people don't.

Rap
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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:14 am
@MrIVI,
she didn't need an understanding of mythology, the story isn't set in any existing mythology, she created her own basically, right down to that worlds own fairy tales

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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 10:16 am
@MrIVI,
She has more than a basic understanding of mythology. (She studied Greek and Roman mythology at Exeter for three years.) She used that understanding to create, as djjd says, her own universe with its own mythologies.

But yes, there's definitely a big element of the Christ myth -- the chosen one, the boy who lived, etc.

It's a pretty universal myth that appears in many different cultures.

That said, it's a children's book. What I like about it are the levels -- there's a pretty sophisticated undercurrent of universal archetypes and lots of fun references/ allusions, but then there's lots of kid-pleasing frippery on top, too.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 10:22 am
I have never read nor watched any of the Harry Potter stuff. But, if Harry Potter is doing witchcraft then he is definitely not a Jesus figure.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 01:25 pm
@Arella Mae,
Is that because there are major differences between turning a man into a toad, spinning wheat into gold and changing water into wine?
What would those be?
If someone walked on water but someone else flew overhead on a broom, which one wasn't using magic?

The only difference between buying a Bible and buying a Harry Potter is that we are honestly told we are buying fiction when we buy one of them.

Joe(next: Talking Fish and Talking Snakes- is there a difference?)Nation
coluber2001
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 01:50 pm
@sozobe,
As I recall, in the last book Harry is going to sacrafice himself; that's basic Christianity--the sacrafice. Also the whole story is dualistic--good against evil--with the apocalypse in the end--typical Christianity/Zoroastrianism. Harry is a mythological hero whether he wants to be or not. This story epitomizes western religion.
sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 02:00 pm
@coluber2001,
It epitomizes pretty much all religions.

The magical messiah figure, death and resurrection, good vs. evil, darkness vs. light; it's featured in a lot of different religions, not just western.
MrIVI
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 04:57 pm
@sozobe,
No, it is not the epitome of pretty much all religion.
You list: messiah figure, death and resurrection...
These are western religion concepts, granted all religions have to cover good verses evil in some sort of way. Probably Satanism is the weakest on the good vs. evil bit; but it definitely still has the darkness vs. light thing.
But no, Harry Potter is not the epitome of all religions because it hit on some universal truth. It is very, very Christian, not in a traditional sense, but non-the-less it is very Christian in it's themes.
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MrIVI
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:02 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe,
I find it kind of offensive the way you jump on someone else's religion like that. You have an opinion and you should express it if you feel like it. But you don't need to go and just insult the source material for someone else's religion.
Further you are very, very wrong, whether or not you believe in the magic of the Bible a shocking amount of it has been verified as being historically accurate. Remember, the story of Moses parting the red sea? You can claim he didn't part it still, but the fact is Pharaohs chariots have been found at the bottom of the red sea apparently drowned just as the Bible indicated after the parting of the red sea. That's got to be a pretty tough one for you to explain.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:07 pm
@MrIVI,
Chihuahua!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:13 pm
@MrIVI,
Got a link to those chariots? Last I read of Moses, it is not a certainty he even existed.
MrIVI
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:16 pm
@sozobe,
I apologize.

I hadn't read her educational credentials. Not like an eduction is worth anything. (And yes, I have a good degree, graduated top in my class, perfect bloody waste of time.)

Anyway, I shall amend my statement: she writes as if she has no knowledge of mythology.
MrIVI
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
Yeah, I'll get you the link. Give me a bit so I can find it. I randomly bookmark things that look interesting but in just a completely helter-skelter style so it will take me a bit to find it.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:19 pm
@MrIVI,
Quote:
Anyway, I shall amend my statement: she writes as if she has no knowledge of mythology.


Specifically, what leads you to say this? I only ask, because I'm extremely well versed in many forms of mythology AND have read the Potter books, and I can't understand why anyone would say such a thing.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:20 pm
@MrIVI,
I can't think this is a serious post. Or that Joe was wrong in stating that there's no difference between Christian myth and any other mythology.

Cycloptichorn
MrIVI
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:41 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
That's fine. You can think whatever you want. It's a little ignorant, but you can think it.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 05:47 pm
@MrIVI,
MrIVI wrote:

That's fine. You can think whatever you want. It's a little ignorant, but you can think it.


What makes it ignorant in the slightest? The fact that I disagree with your credulous acceptance of what was written thousands of years ago? Am I ignorant b/c I believe that only a fool would claim that 'chariots at the bottom of the red sea' would be proof of anything, let alone the truth of christian mythology - or that this was even a true claim, and not just an internet hoax?

More than that, though; I'd like to know why you think the lady writes as though she has no knowledge of mythology.

Cycloptichorn
 

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