Synthetic cocaine: coming soon to a bathtub near you

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Have you heard about this?

Have the manufacturers of this broken any law?

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The typical bath salt that one actually puts in one’s bath water is usually made of a fragrance, glycerin, and some form of sodium. But that’s not what teens, the college crowd and junkies are talking about when they use the term these days. They are referring to the latest fad in cheap drugs.

As with most “trendy” drugs, it has been given a long list of nicknames and brand names: Ivory Wave, Bliss, Hurricane Charlie, White Lightning, Vanilla Sky, Scarface, White Dove, Charge Plus, Ocean, Red Dove, Super Coke, Peeve, Magic, Mtv and Cloud 9, to name a few. But it’s actually a form of fake cocaine, made from a combination of the stimulants methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) and mephedrone. Up until now, they have been unregulated, which the drug crowd interprets as “legal”, because. as their ass-covering labels usually say, they are not made for human consumption.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency is alarmed because this new legal “bath salts” drug is cheap, and can be obtained at gas stations, smoke shops, convenience stores and online. In addition, no drug tests have been developed for it yet. Users are smoking, injecting, swallowing and snorting it. And the effects, allegedly as strong as those of methamphetamines, also run the gamut, from euphoria, high energy, agitation, rapid heart rates, paranoia, hallucinations, suicidal thoughts, attempted suicide, and cardiovascular collapse.

Reports also say that the trips are horrible and terrifying. Yet the drug triggers powerful cravings for it. Many users will spend three or four days binging on it, before being brought to the ER.

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If they had I suppose they would be getting sued by someone already.

Where the hell do they get all those names from? Their trips? =)

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@manored,

I see that a lot of states are banning the sale of these "bath salts" but I'm sure they'll always be available on the internet.

I suppose they're going to have to find a way to control whatever ingredient is in it that creates the high, like they did with decongestants.

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@boomerang,

Kids should not be messing around with any drugs, but I consistently find it amusing when the effects of popular drugs are described:

euphoria, high energy, agitation, rapid heart rates, paranoia, hallucinations, suicidal thoughts, attempted suicide, and cardiovascular collapse.

Reports also say that the trips are horrible and terrifying. Yet the drug triggers powerful cravings for it. Many users will spend three or four days binging on it, before being brought to the ER.

I don't doubt that this drug could have any or all of these negative effects, but it would seem obvious that in most cases, at least initially, the main reactions are euphoria and high energy.

No one is going to take a drug a second time that drives them to attempted suicide with horrible and terrfying paranoid hallucinations, and a heart beating out of their chest, no matter what sort of craving it produces.

I am reminded of the films we were shown in grade school on the perils of heroin use. Invariably we were entertained by at least 15 minutes of scenes in which a jailed addict sweats, shivers, moans and vomits. During the remaining 15 minutes a very stern man in a dark suit told us how bad it was to use heroin.

I would leave these sessions wondering why the hell anyone would inject something into their veins that caused such utter misery. "I'll never do it," I thought with confidence, "these junkies are insane!"

Of course later in life I learned just why the junkies use the stuff even though it eventually destroys them, and it wasn't because they were insane masochists who enjoyed puking.

Kids are not going to be scared away from trying to get high. There must be a better answer.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I remember those films. They were so ridiculous. I do remember one that kind of scared me though -- about a shy girl getting drunk at a party and having a great time until she smashed her car up on the way home.

So I didn't learn to drive until I was nearly 30.

You make a good point about failing to discuss why people get hooked on drugs -- that they make them feel good. If a kid eventually does try the drug and they have a good experience it makes the rest of the message meaningless.

I don't know what the answer is but I kind of like my brother's way of dealing with it. When his daughter hit her teenage years they told her that they were going to do random drug tests. He even bought several test and stored them in the medicine cabinet.

According to him, he simply wanted to provide her with an excuse for times that someone might try to persuade her into trying something: "I can't. My mom and dad do random drug tests. If I get caught they'll kill me."

According to her, it worked. She used the excuse a few times to get out of situations. She was glad to have the excuse.

They never did use the test kits because they never had reason to suspect she might have tried something.

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@boomerang,

Why is this such a big deal? Regardless if it is made illegal will not stop or prevent teens or anyone for that matter from getting their hands on it. In fact it only makes the problem worse! If they make it illegal the price will go up and it will become even more profitable to produce and sell it. This will make a market that will support other behavior that causes problems in society, such as gang violence over drug selling territory for one. But those who are quick to deem drugs as evil and should be outlawed rarely ever reflect on the consequences of making drugs illegal. It causes just as many deaths to make it illegal than it does to keep it legal. The only thing you do is switch who becomes the victims. Instead of drug overdoses you have cop killings during drug busts or drug stops. So you really don't save any lives by making drugs illegal, you just switch who statistically dies.

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@Krumple,

I don't recall ever saying drugs are "evil".

I'm fine with making certain classes of drugs legal, maybe even all drugs.

We should tax the holy hell out of them. That way people can pay for their own rehab down the line, or their organ transplants, or their ER visits, or whatever.

You shouldn't be able to buy them at 7-11 either. You should have to go to a special shop which is licensed by the state and where you have to be an adult to enter.

For certain classes of drugs you should have to register before you can buy them. That would certainly make it much easier on employers to weed out unreliable people.

If they're caught driving under the influence or if they hurt someone they get locked up. No little slap on the wrist, but locked up.

I'm fine with that.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Kids should not be messing around with any drugs,
but I consistently find it amusing when the effects of popular drugs are described:

euphoria, high energy, agitation, rapid heart rates, paranoia,
hallucinations, suicidal thoughts,
attempted suicide, and cardiovascular collapse.[ESPECIALLY if the suicide attempt
is successful.]

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@boomerang,

boomerang wrote:

Have you heard about this?

Have the manufacturers of this broken any law?

Quote:
The typical bath salt that one actually puts in one’s bath water is usually made of a fragrance, glycerin, and some form of sodium. But that’s not what teens, the college crowd and junkies are talking about when they use the term these days. They are referring to the latest fad in cheap drugs.

As with most “trendy” drugs, it has been given a long list of nicknames and brand names: Ivory Wave, Bliss, Hurricane Charlie, White Lightning, Vanilla Sky, Scarface, White Dove, Charge Plus, Ocean, Red Dove, Super Coke, Peeve, Magic, Mtv and Cloud 9, to name a few. But it’s actually a form of fake cocaine, made from a combination of the stimulants methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) and mephedrone. Up until now, they have been unregulated, which the drug crowd interprets as “legal”, because. as their ass-covering labels usually say, they are not made for human consumption.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency is alarmed because this new legal “bath salts” drug is cheap, and can be obtained at gas stations, smoke shops, convenience stores and online. In addition, no drug tests have been developed for it yet. Users are smoking, injecting, swallowing and snorting it. And the effects, allegedly as strong as those of methamphetamines, also run the gamut, from euphoria, high energy, agitation, rapid heart rates, paranoia, hallucinations, suicidal thoughts, attempted suicide, and cardiovascular collapse.

Reports also say that the trips are horrible and terrifying. Yet the drug triggers powerful cravings for it. Many users will spend three or four days binging on it, before being brought to the ER.

I regard that kind of stuff as poison.
Worthy of being avoided.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Kids are not going to be scared away from trying to get high. There must be a better answer.

Anti-drug propaganda demonizes drugs, tries to seed into children a semi-religious belief of that drugs are terrible and should never ever be attempted.

I think thats a ultimately inneficient way to keep someone away from something. I think kids should simply be taugh what drugs really are and be keept forcefully away from then until they come of age, at which point they choose for themselves.

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@boomerang,

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I don't recall ever saying drugs are "evil".

I'm fine with making certain classes of drugs legal, maybe even all drugs.

We should tax the holy hell out of them. That way people can pay for their own rehab down the line, or their organ transplants, or their ER visits, or whatever.

You shouldn't be able to buy them at 7-11 either. You should have to go to a special shop which is licensed by the state and where you have to be an adult to enter.

For certain classes of drugs you should have to register before you can buy them. That would certainly make it much easier on employers to weed out unreliable people.

If they're caught driving under the influence or if they hurt someone they get locked up. No little slap on the wrist, but locked up.

I'm fine with that.

boomerang, I agree with all of this. When I mentioned the evil bit, I was speaking more in general not towards you specifically. I was calling out anyone who would take the steps to consider drugs as evil have rarely ever taken the time to consider the consequences of actually making drugs illegal has done to society. They only want to see one side of the issue rather than the reality of it.

Along the lines of your "special shop which is licensed by the state..." idea, I have had similar. I call it a drug bank because it can be similar to a bank. Armored cars being in the drugs and those drugs are sold by tellers behind bullet proof glass, because you know at some point some guy totally high on PCP is going to want to rob the place to increase his stash. So we need a way to protect the tellers and also to prevent theft. Maybe that is a bit extreme but at least something like a liquor store then perhaps.

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@boomerang,

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I see that a lot of states are banning the sale of these "bath salts" but I'm sure they'll always be available on the internet.

are we going to ban glue next? Sharpies? Nail polish? Nail polish remover?

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@manored,

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Anti-drug propaganda demonizes drugs, tries to seed into children a semi-religious belief of that drugs are terrible and should never ever be attempted.

I think thats a ultimately inneficient way to keep someone away from something. I think kids should simply be taugh what drugs really are and be keept forcefully away from then until they come of age, at which point they choose for themselves.

Making up BS with the sole purpose to scare people into doing what you want them to do is almost always counter productive in the end. The truth always comes out, and normally the liar then loses their credibility.

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@hawkeye10,

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Anti-drug propaganda demonizes drugs, tries to seed into children a semi-religious belief of that drugs are terrible and should never ever be attempted.

I think thats a ultimately inneficient way to keep someone away from something. I think kids should simply be taugh what drugs really are and be keept forcefully away from then until they come of age, at which point they choose for themselves.

hawkeye10 wrote:

Making up BS with the sole purpose to scare people into doing what you want them to do
is almost always counter productive in the end.

The truth always comes out, and normally the liar then loses their credibility.

Hawkeye, with all good will,
may I point out a failure of logic in your syntax,
in that u say "the liar" indicating one man and then speak of "their" credibility
indicating a MULTIPLICITY of men ?
Whence came the others ??

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Hawkeye, with all good will,
may I point out a failure of logic in your syntax,
in that u say "the liar" indicating one man and then speak of "their" credibility
indicating a MULTIPLICITY of men ?
Whence came the others ??

Who is the "liar" who loses their credibility depends of a lot of things, such as who the child projects as being the source of the lying propaganda. It could be adults and old people in general, it could be society, it could be anti-drug movements, etc.

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