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Belief in God hinges on the reality and morality of hell.

 
 
Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 04:06 pm
Belief in God hinges on the reality and morality of hell.

At the end of the day, with a God who hides, the only good way to ascertain if he would be real or not is by his morality. This assumes that having a sense of morality is good and not having it is not and that a God would be good.

The pivotal question for God’s existence is;---- would a good God create a place like hell?

The definition of hell here is the one of eternal fire and torture with no chance of reprieve.
IOW. The traditional hell

To help me determine if there was a real Bible God or not, I asked and answered a few simple question for myself.

1. Is it morals and good justice for a soul to be able to sin for a finite time and then have to suffer torture for infinity?

2. Is it good morals and justice for small or mediocre sinners to have to bear the same sentence as Hitler, Stalin and other genocidal maniacs?

Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent.

3. Is it good morals and justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result?

4. Is it good morals and justice to keep a soul alive in hell instead of killing it for mercies sake?

I answered no to all of the above and determined that there is no way in hell that a hell would be a moral construct and that a good God would not create such a place. If hell exists then Bible God cannot if he is a good God.

If you answered no, as I did, then the existence of Bible God also gives a no answer.

If you answered yes to any of the above then let us examine your reasons for thinking that God would create this, to you, moral construct called hell.

Please justify your yes and show what I am to give a rebuttal to and let us try to reason together. This is mostly impossible from what I have seen and experienced but having kept this O P fairly simple, I am hopping that we can.


Regards
DL


PS. The next post is to give you a glimpse of what others think of some of these issues and to stimulate thought. There is quite a bit of it and it is there for reference only.
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 04:06 pm
@Greatest I am,
On hell.

Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZM3FXlLMug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE_TWhzG-p0&feature=related


Is God good?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaL7CkQaQpU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9FKn4rKXEY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTpJ8PGT2yY&feature=related


Satan’s history.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat2.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat1.htm#menu

http://abcnews.go.com/nightline/faceoff -----About ½ way down the page.




O T, N T, Jesus and hell.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TurpisHaereticus#p/u/2/k88ntaUXP2c


What the Bible says.

Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

By any definition, sendind souls to hell is overcoming evil with evil and hell in this sense is not Biblical.

Regards
DL
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Smileyrius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 05:56 am
@Greatest I am,
Hell doesnt exist. t'was just another belief adopted from prior religions.

Death is not a punishment, it is a lack of reward.

Krumple
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 07:47 am
@Smileyrius,
"Death is not a punishment, it is a lack of reward."

Just as easy, eternal life can be just as much a punishment if not worse than death. Think about it, because rarely does anyone actually take the time to consider what existing for ever would mean. What would you do for all that time? Can't answer, just assume everything will be peachy with no problems? If you can't determine it, then by all means what would make you think there is even any eternal life, is the question I would then ask.
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 10:58 am
@Krumple,
Life everlasting right now would suck. I am with you on that. I do believe however that we as mankind are doing it wrong, as an optimist, I can see potential for mankind to do far better under better governance. On top of that the brain has the capacity to deal with far more than we currently do, so I don't see it as entirely implausible.
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