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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
ehBeth
 
  1  
Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:47 pm
@mysteryman,
undisclosed location could mean while sitting on the toilet

skype's handy that way
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Ionus
 
  1  
Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:48 pm
No one seems to be addresing what I think is a very important aspect.....what was all this degree of candour about such a wide range of topics doing in a war zone ? Where was the need ? How did one person acrue that volume of information ?
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:57 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Of course governmental transparency is very important and ours has three co-equal divisions designed to check and balance each other. Congress has specific oversight responsibilities as relates to the Executive branch and there is no shortage of historical examples of this responsibility being faithfully (or otherwise) executed; resulting in the revelation of significant secret activities.


That's a crock of **** and you know it. If there was this check and balances that you claim there is, Iraq never would have happened. The prez election of 2000 never would have come off as it did.

Daniel Ellsberg went to how many congressional leaders before he felt he had to leak the material and they blew him and their responsibility off.

The 9/11 Commission is another fine example of how badly the system is royally fucked up. The NIST investigation is another example.

Here's another fine example of your checks and balances.

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Gagged, But Not Dead

By Sibel Edmonds

The Appeal Court’s decision on Sibel Edmonds’ Case is out: ‘Case Dismissed;’ no opinion cited; no reason provided. The Court’s decision, issued on Friday, May 6, has generated a string of obituaries; “another major blow, maybe the last one, to Sibel Edmonds, a woman who has faced an unprecedented level of government secrecy, gag orders, and classification.” Well, dear friends and supporters, Sibel Edmonds may be gagged, but she’s not dead.

On October 18, 2002; three months after I filed my suit against the Department of Justice for unlawful termination of my employment caused by my reporting criminal activities committed by government officials and employees, John Ashcroft, the then Attorney General, invoked a rarely invoked privilege, the State Secrets Privilege. According to Ashcroft, everything involving my case and my allegations were considered state secrets, and whether or not I was right in my allegations, the United States District Court had to dismiss my entire case without any questions, hearings or oral argument; period. According to Ashcroft, the court had to grant his order and dismiss the entire case with no hearings solely based on the fact that he, Ashcroft, said so. After all, our government knew best. As of that day, my case came to be gagged; but I continued on.

In April 2004, after attorneys for a large group of 9/11 family members subpoenaed my deposition, the then Attorney General, John Ashcroft, made his next move: He invoked the state secrets privilege for the second time, and this time, he designated my place of birth, date of birth, my mother tongue, my father tongue, my university background, and my previous employments all State Secrets, Top Secret Classified, and matters of the highest level national security. Let’s see, based on this new ruling and designation by our ironically named Justice Department, my passport would be considered a ‘top secret’ document since it contains my place of birth, information considered state secrets. According to our government officials my Virginia driving license would be considered a ‘Top Secret’ document, since it contains my date of birth, information considered state secrets and classified. Well, heck, even my resume would be considered ‘Top Secret’ since it contains my linguistic credentials and my degrees. As of that day, I officially became a notoriously gagged whistleblower; but I continued on.

In May 2004, two years after two ranking senators (bipartisan) had publicly, and in public records and documents, announced me credible and my case and allegations confirmed and supported, the emboldened then Attorney General, struck again. This time, he, John Ashcroft, decided to gag the entire Congress on anything that had to with Sibel Edmonds and her case. He ordered two ranking senators to take everything referring to me off their websites; he ordered them to consider all documents and letters related to my case ‘Top Secret,’ and he commanded that they, the Congress, shut their mouth on any issue that in any way referred or related to me. Our senators obliged, disregarding the principles of the separation of powers, not honoring the United States Constitution, and not respecting their own prestige and status. As of that day, the United States Congress became officially gagged on Sibel Edmonds; but I continued on.

In June 2004, the United States District Court bowed to his highness, representative of our Executive Branch, John Ashcroft, and announced its decision to no longer honor the Constitution as it relates to citizens’ right to due process: it dismissed the case and excused itself from providing any real explanation, due to any possible explanation, or lack of explanation, being classified as ‘Top Secret,’ and ‘State Secrets.’ Our court system too was not willing to stand up for its authority and its separation from the executive branch. In other words, the District Court willingly allowed itself to be gagged; but I continued on.

In July 2004, after two years of unexplained foot dragging, the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General, announced its long over due investigation of Sibel Edmonds’ case complete and issued its report. The further empowered and emboldened then Attorney General stepped in on that same day and gagged his own Inspector General’s findings and report by classifying the entire report as secret. The so called independent investigatory entity, the Inspector General, wrapped and duct taped its report, bowed, and left the scene now that it was formally and officially gagged on my case; but I continued on.

On April 21, 2005, for the first time in these three gagged years, my attorneys and I finally had, or thought we had, our day in court for our hearing before Appellate Court Judges. Just hours before our hearing, these judges issued an unexpected ruling, barring all reporters and the public from the courtroom for the Edmonds’ Case hearing. Numerous media related entities tried to flex their lately weakened muscles and filed their motion to oppose this ruling. The judges denied their motion, and cited no reason; when asked for a reason they responded that they didn’t have to provide any reason. Everyone was kicked out of the courtroom; except for me, my attorneys, and the large troop of attorneys from the Department of Justice. All the doors to the courtroom were locked and guards were placed in front of each door to watch out for eavesdroppers. Then came the next shock: after bypassing our brief, asking a couple of puzzling and irrelevant questions, and allowing my attorneys 10 minutes or so of response, the Appellate judges asked my attorneys and me (the plaintiff) to leave the courtroom, so that the government attorneys could secretly answer questions and make their argument. The guards escorted us, the plaintiff, out, locked the doors, and stood there in front of the courtroom and watched us for about fifteen minutes. So much for finally having my day in court; here I was, with my attorneys, standing outside the courtroom and being guarded, while in there, three judges were having a cozy mingling session with a large troop of government attorneys. Then, it was over; that was it; we were told to leave. In other words, my attorneys and I were barred from being present in our own court hearing, and my case remained covered up and gagged; but I continued on.

On May 6, two weeks after the Kafkaesque court procedure, my attorneys and I were given the verdict: The lower court’s decision was upheld, meaning my entire case, whether or not we had an Inspector General’s Report that confirmed my allegations, whether or not we had several congressional letters confirming my case and my allegations, was prevented from proceeding in court due to some unspecified ‘State Secrets,’ and unexplained secrecy that applied to everything that had to do with me and my case; which were so secret that even the judges could not hear or see. In fact, the Appellate judges in my case did not cite any opinion or reason, because even the opinion itself would have been considered secret. Doesn’t this mean that the Appellate court and these three judges were in effect gagged? It appears so, but I will continue on.

In the past three years, I have been threatened; I have been gagged several times; I have continuously been prevented from pursuing my due process; all reports and investigations looking into my case have been classified; and every governmental or investigative authority dealing with my case has been shut up. According to legal experts familiar with my case, the level of secrecy and classification in my court case and the attitudes and handling of the court system in dealing with my case is unprecedented in the entire U.S. court history. According to other experts I am one of the most, if not the most, gagged woman anybody knows of or has heard of. Why?

Those of you who still think this case, my case, is about covering up some administrative blunder or bureaucratic mismanagement, please think again.

Those of you who may think that my Kafkaesque case, the unprecedented secrecy, is due to some justified and official higher reasons, please think again.

Those of you who may think that our government, our entrusted leaders, may have an ongoing investigation of criminals involved, please think again.

The Office of Inspector General for the Department of Justice, in its ‘unclassified report,’ has confirmed my core allegations. What were those core allegations, and who did they involve? Not only some low-level terrorist or terrorist organization; not only some ‘maybe’ critical foreign entities. No; trust me; they would not go to this length to protect some nobody criminal or terrorist.

It is way past time for a little bit of critical thinking. The Attorney General cites two reasons to justify the unconstitutional and panic driven assault on me and my case. Reason one: To protect certain diplomatic relations - not named since obviously our officials are ashamed of admitting to these relations. Reason two: To protect certain U.S. foreign business relations. Let’s take each one and dissect it (I have given up on our mass media to do that for us!). For reason one, since when is the Department of Justice, the FBI, in the business of protecting ‘US sensitive diplomatic relations?’ They appear to be acting as a mouthpiece for the Department of State. Now, that’s one entity that has strong reasons to cover up, for its own self, what will end up being a blunder of mammoth scale. Not internationally; not really; it is the American people and their outrage they must be worried about; they wouldn’t want to have a few of their widely recognized officials being held criminally liable; would they?

As for reason two, I can assure you that the U.S. foreign business relations they may be referring to are not among those that benefit the majority of the American people; a handful of MIC entities and their lobbying arms can by no means be considered that, can they? In fact, the American people, their national safety and security, and their best interests are being sacrificed for a handful of those with their foreign business interest. Also, since when are nuclear black market related underground activities considered official U.S. foreign business; one may wonder? If you want to have the answers to these questions, please approach your Congress and ask your representatives for hearings - not behind closed doors quasi hearings - but open, public hearings where these questions can be asked and answered.

And lastly, for those of you who may think that since I have been gagged and stopped by almost all available official channels, I must be ready to vaporize into thin air, please think again. I am gagged, but not dead; not yet.


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We have a very robust and independent press ...


That's the laugh of the century. If you had such a robust and independent press why did they provide such excellent cover for all the felonies and war crimes committed by Reagan. Why was the American public pretty much ignorant of the fact that Reagan supplied and funded maniacs were torturing and murdering innocent Nicaraguans?

The press admitted that they didn't want another Watergate, they admitted that they didn't want to follow the rule of law, they acted like fellow gangsters, partners in crime to Reagan and his band of war criminals.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
here it is

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To be fair to Clinton, she isn't the first secretary of state to issue cables telling U.S. foreign service officers to spy on other diplomats. According to the leaked diplomatic cables, Condoleezza Rice likewise instructed State Department diplomats to collect such intelligence, and I wouldn't be surprised if previous secretaries of state encouraged if not instructed their diplomats to push information-collection all the way to intelligence-gathering.

But what makes Clinton's sleuthing unique is the paper trail that documents her spying-on-their-diplomats-with-our-diplomat orders, a paper trail that is now being splashed around the world on the Web and printed in top newspapers. No matter what sort of noises Clinton makes about how the disclosures are "an attack on America" and "the international community," as she did today, she's become the issue. She'll never be an effective negotiator with diplomats who refuse to forgive her exuberances, and even foreign diplomats who do forgive her will still regard her as the symbol of an overreaching United States. Diplomacy is about face, and the only way for other nations to save face will be to give them Clinton's scalp.

http://www.slate.com/id/2276190/
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JPB
 
  3  
Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:58 pm
@Ionus,
I read something yesterday about how easy it was for him to walk in with a personal music cd or flash drive and sit there offloading files while ostensibly working. It's a fallout of post 9/11 policies that allow file sharing between just about everyone in the government. 2.5+ million people had access to these files. It doesn't matter where he was sitting. Put that kind of information in front of 5 million eyes and someone is bound to grab it and run.
JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:59 pm
@mysteryman,
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Why is he speaking from an "undisclosed location"? If he thinks wgat he is doing is ok, why hide?


Why do you continue to parade your stupidity here on these pages?
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JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 07:01 pm
@JPB,
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"But she should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up. Yes, she should resign over that."


Hillary should resign because she got caught while numerous others, serious war criminals get new jobs with government, pensions and accolades.

I'm not defending Hillary.
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JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 08:05 pm
Why there should be leaks.

"If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up."

-Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator


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INTERVIEW:

Former FBI Translator Sibel Edmonds Calls Current 9/11 Investigation Inadequate

by Jim Hogue

INTRODUCTION: Sibel Edmonds and Behrooz Sarshar, beginning in December of 2001, began filing reports to their superiors at the FBI. These reports could lead to the collapse of a corrupt power structure that has a stranglehold on the very institutions that are obligated to control it. We cannot excuse these institutions, for while they fiddle, they pass death sentences on their own troops, and on the people of Afghanistan and Iraq.
On April 30th, Sibel Edmonds was my guest for 50 minutes on WGDR radio.

What follows is an edited transcript of the interview. The editing is for the sake of a more readable piece.

Sibel Edmonds is a former FBI translator. She blew the whistle on the cover-up of intelligence that names some of the culprits who orchestrated the 9/11 attacks. These culprits are protected by the Justice Department, the State Department, the FBI, the White House and the Senate Judiciary Committee. They are foreign nationals and Americans. Ms. Edmonds is under two gag orders that forbid her to testify in court or mention the names of the people or the countries involved.

THE INTERVIEW
JH: The people who have so far been interviewed on this program have all been authors and researchers, and here we have someone who, for the most part, has first-hand information. Ladies and Gentlemen, your guest is Sibel Edmonds, formerly of the FBI, a translator who joined the FBI shortly after 9/11.
Ms. Edmonds, what I'll do is invite you to tell us whatever you would like--your stint with the FBI--and what the brouhaha with Ashcroft and company is all about.

SE: I started working for the Bureau immediately after 9/11 and I was performing translations for several languages: Farsi, Turkish, and Azerbaijani. And I do have top-secret clearance. And after I started working for the Bureau, most of my translation duties included translations of documents and investigations that actually started way before 9/11. And certain documents were being sent that needed to be re-translated for various reasons, and of course certain documents had to be translated for the first time due to the backlog.

During my work there I came across some very significant issues that I started reporting in December of 2001 to the mid-level management within the FBI. They said to basically leave it alone, because if they were to get into those issues it would end up being a can of worms. And after I didn't see any response from this mid-level bureaucratic management I took it to higher levels all the way up to [assistant director] Dale Watson and Director Mueller. And, again, I was asked not to take this any further and just let it be. And if I didn't do that they would retaliate against me.

At that point, which would be around February 2002, they came and they confiscated my computer, because, they said, they were suspecting that I was communicating with certain Senate members and taking this issue outside the Bureau. And, at that point, I was not. They did not find anything in my computer after they confiscated it. And they asked me to take a polygraph as to the allegations and reports I'd made. I volunteered and I took the polygraph and passed it without a glitch. They have already confirmed this publicly.

In March 2002 I took this issue to the Senate Judiciary Committee and also I filed it with the Department of Justice Inspector General's office. And as per the Senate Judiciary Committee's request the IG started an expedited investigation on these serious issues; and they promised the Senate Judiciary Committee that their report for these investigations would be out by fall 2002 latest. And here we are in April 2004 and this report is not being made public, and they are citing "state privilege" and "national security" for not making this report public.

Three weeks after I went to the Senate Judiciary Committee the Bureau terminated my contract, and they cited "government's convenience." I started working with the Senate Judiciary Committee that was investigating this case, and I appeared before the Inspector General's office for their investigation several times, and I also requested documents regarding these reports under the Freedom of Information Act; and they blocked this by citing again the "state secret privilege" and "national security" refusing to make these documents public.

On October 18th 2002 Attorney General Ashcroft came out personally, in public, asserted this rare "state secret privilege" on everything that had to do with my case. And they cited "diplomatic relations" and certain "foreign relations" that would be "at stake" if I were to take this issue and make it public. And, since then, this has been acting as a gag on my case.

I testified before the [9/11] commission on February 11th 2004, and as I said, I have been waiting for this report that they [the Attorney General's office] have been blocking for a year and a half from becoming public. The information I requested under the Freedom of Information Act has been blocked for two years. And I have been campaigning for the past three months trying to get the Senate Judiciary Committee that has the oversight authority and responsibility to start its own public hearings. However, this request is again being blocked. Now they [AG] are citing this upcoming election as reason. And here I am.


JH: And it is the Attorney General who is blocking your testimony.

SE: Senator Leahy, on April 8, 2004, sent a very strong letter to Attorney General Ashcroft, citing my case stating that he, Senator Leahy, has been asking questions, and has a lot of issues that have not been addressed, and asking AG Ashcroft to come and provide answers. And AG Ashcroft for the past two years has refused. So he [Leahy] is calling for a public hearing. However, Senator Hatch, who is the Republican Chairman of the Senate, has been a road block. And Senator Grassley [a Republican member of the Senate Judiciary Committee] went on the record with New York Observer's Gail Sheehy and said that Senator Hatch is blocking this investigation from taking place and for this public hearing to be held by the Senate Judiciary Committee.


JH: So Hatch has the power to keep Leahy and Grassley....

SE: Correct. And now it is becoming a partisan issue. However, I keep reminding them that this issue is not a new issue that has come out for this election. This issue has been in the courts for two years and two months now.


JH: I've watched Hatch perform since the Contra Hearings in the mid 1980s, and I can assure you that for Hatch, everything is a partisan issue. You have a tough one.

SE: We have to remind the people: Congress has the constitutional obligation and public responsibility to oversee these issues and the Department of Justice's operations. That's why they are elected. That's why they are there. That's what they are getting paid for.


JH: Do you think that Leahy and Grassley are going to try to plow ahead with this, or do you think that there is a back door deal with Hatch?

SE: Well....as far as I see, Senator Leahy has been trying, and it's a strong letter that he issued a few weeks ago. [Ms. Edmonds refers here to the GPO's PDF (Senate--April 8, 2004; pages s4012-4014) regarding Ashcroft's appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2003. Senator Leahy describes the inaction of Attorney General Ashcroft since their first meeting on September 19th 2001 as a "flagrant avoidance of accountability."]

However, I'm very disappointed with Senator Grassley's office and his staff members. They initially were very supportive. But what I am getting from their office every time I call is, "Well this issue is under the Inspector General," and that their hands are tied. And then I press further and ask, "Well, what do you mean, 'our hands are tied'? Who's tying your hands? Untie it. Let's get it untied." They don't have any response. They say, "Well, this issue is very complex, and as you know, it is being investigated." And I'm not seeing any issue being investigated. What I'm seeing is that this issue is being covered up, and relentlessly being covered up, in consideration of "state privilege," which people are calling "the neutron bomb of all privilege."


JH: I can assure you that there are probably thirty issues just like yours that are being covered up. And they are allowing reporters, writers, internet contributors, and journalists from around the world to do these investigations, because they know that most Americans will never hear any of that. But as soon as someone like yourself gets too close to actually finding out who did anything, "state privilege" or something....

SE: "National security" as a classification.

[read on at,]

http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml


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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 08:49 pm
@JPB,
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2.5+ million people had access to these files.
I missed that in the news. I am stunned.
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Put that kind of information in front of 5 million eyes and someone is bound to grab it and run.
Undoubtedly.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 10:34 pm
I’d like to say this before I say anything else. It can be difficult participating discussion like this one for some of us who are not US citizens. Anything we might have to say can so easily be perceived as “US bashing” by some US a2kers. And (based on previous experience here) that can be quite an unpleasant experience. So I am proceeding with considerable caution & some reticence, OK? I hope we can continue to discuss these things without our exchanges becoming “personal” as they have, all too often in past discussions.

This is a NYT justification for publishing the leaks:


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But the more important reason to publish these articles is that the cables tell the unvarnished story of how the government makes its biggest decisions, the decisions that cost the country most heavily in lives and money. They shed light on the motivations — and, in some cases, duplicity — of allies on the receiving end of American courtship and foreign aid. They illuminate the diplomacy surrounding two current wars and several countries, like Pakistan and Yemen, where American military involvement is growing. As daunting as it is to publish such material over official objections, it would be presumptuous to conclude that Americans have no right to know what is being done in their name.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/nov/28/wikileaks-us-embassy-cables-live-blog

But that is from the US perspective.
But what about the implications of the leaks to the rest of the world? I sometimes feel as if they don’t matter, or are considered irrelevant.

For many of us who don’t live in the US our concerns may well be of a different nature. It is (partly) about how the US has gone about “doing business” in the world, to achieve its foreign policy objectives. How can spying on senior UN officials possibly be justified? How can bribing other nations to take Guantanamo stainees (when the US wasn’t willing to take any) be considered acceptable? How can it be considered OK for Yemen to cover up a US military drone attack? Is it OK for the German government to be pressured by the US to not pursue the wrongful “extraordinary detention” of a citizen by the CIA? .... to identify just a few concerns.
These leaks are not just bits of inconsequential trivia or gossip at all, as some of you are suggesting. And we’ve had access to only a very small number of them.

When does the US government’s pursuit of its own agenda seriously impinge the sovereignty of other nations? The point is, don’t the citizens of democratic countries have every right to know what decisions are being made in their names by their elected governments? Should the relationship with our elected governments with the US government override those governments’ responsibilities & accountability to their own citizens? Do we have to wait for further leaks to have access to information we’re entitled to?

I think it’s really unfortunate that the Wikileaks focus mainly on Obama’s period in office. I seriously doubt that the Bush administration’s diplomacy record would have been superior in any way. For all we know, international diplomacy, Obama style, might be a vast improvement on what came before.

And of course, there’s also the possibility that these leaks could be used to undermine the Democrats already vulnerable position in government. Perhaps that is why some of you are making light of the leaks, or seem reluctant to discuss them?

Me, I would love to be able to have access to leaks from the period of the Bush administration. I would dearly like to know what took place in the secret diplomatic exchanges between our two governments which led my country to be involved in the invasion of Iraq. Australian citizens were overwhelmingly opposed to that invasion. What occurred behind the scenes to involve us, despite that? But I fear that we’ll only have the chance to know in something like 30 years time, when the embargo on that information is lifted.

Apologies for such a long post. It seems I had a lot to say.


ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 10:39 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

It is (partly) about how the US has gone about “doing business” in the world, to achieve its foreign policy objectives. How can spying on senior UN officials possibly be justified? How can bribing other nations to take Guantanamo stainees (when the US wasn’t willing to take any) be considered acceptable? How can it be considered OK for Yemen to cover up a US military drone attack? Is it OK for the German government to be pressured by the US to not pursue the wrongful “extraordinary detention” of a citizen by the CIA? .... to identify just a few concerns.


do you think there are any other governments that aren't doing the very same thing to the best of their abilities?

I think you're quite blinkered if you think that's at all likely.

The buggers are all doing it.

They're all playing push-me pull-you with us.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 10:47 pm
@ehBeth,
They might well be. They probably are.
I think it would be excellent to have more insight about their activities, too.
Same as knowing more about what our own governments are doing.
The more transparency, the better, I say.

The point is, the US is by far the most powerful & influential nation.
The point is that US foreign policy is the dominant world influence (for countries like ours) , by far.
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msolga
 
  1  
Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 10:52 pm
Right now we are looking at what amounts to an Australian government attempt at media censorship of further Wikileaks. Presumably in support of US government efforts. We’ve hardly been mentioned so far (apart from being “rock solid” supporters of the US.) ...

Editors around Australia are not likely to respond favourably to potential requests from the Federal Government that they not publish potentially damaging information revealed by WikiLeaks.:

Quote:
.... As the whistleblower group continues to drip feed thousands of US diplomatic cables, Attorney-General Robert McClelland says the Government's focus is on minimising the fallout of their release.

... While Australia has been mentioned in some despatches, the main revelations have included details of the poor reputation Iran's president holds among his peers and evidence that China's commitment to North Korea is wavering badly.
"From my point of view, there is potentially some documentation that relates to national security-sensitive information that could prejudice the national security interests of Australia," Mr McClelland said. ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/30/3080935.htm

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... Meanwhile, (Australian) Defence Minister Stephen Smith has been briefed by US ambassador Jeffrey Bleich on the contents of about 1,500 cables that mention Australia.

One cable already released about the situation in Zimbabwe describes Australia as rock solid but largely uninfluential.

Mr Smith has downplayed any potential embarrassment from the contents of the cable.
"You can't take a pin prick from an individual cable to get a general assessment," he told Radio National.
"When I have my conversations with my counterparts, whether it's secretary of defence Robert Gates or secretary of state Clinton, Australia is held in very high regard for the role we play internationally."

Mr Smith would not comment on claims made in another cable about concerns that Australians who had gone missing in the Middle East had ended up on US terrorist watch lists.

A whole of government taskforce is now combing through all the documents to assess any national security implications ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/30/3079962.htm
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 11:05 pm
@msolga,
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Right now we are looking at what amounts to an Australian government attempt at media censorship of further Wikileaks. Presumably in support of US government efforts. We’ve hardly been mentioned so far (apart from being “rock solid” supporters of the US.) ...

Editors around Australia are not likely to respond favourably to potential requests from the Federal Government that they not publish potentially damaging information revealed by WikiLeaks.:

It is a wee bit late for you aussies to decide that you dont like your censorship, years after your agreed to heavy handed censorship of erotic words and images..... decades after you signed up for censoring opinion when that opinion casts some group or another in a negative light (the Indians, Aborigines et al) Once you sign up for that you dont get to pick and choose when the government employees the shut down of ideas and truth.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 11:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're talking about last year's failed attempt at a government-imposed "internet filter"?
Do you think there wasn't fierce opposition? Well you're wrong if think there wasn't.

But I am talking about an attempt politically motivated media censorship here. Wikileaks.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 01:20 am
@hawkeye10,
Better keep her. Otherwise, he just might end up in an election campaign against a former Secretary of State.
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JTT
 
  0  
Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 03:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
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It is a wee bit late for you aussies to decide that you dont like your censorship, years after your agreed to heavy handed censorship of erotic words and images..... decades after you signed up for censoring opinion when that opinion casts some group or another in a negative light (the Indians, Aborigines et al) Once you sign up for that you dont get to pick and choose when the government employees the shut down of ideas and truth.


What complete and utter drivel, Hawk. Why don't you attempt to write something rational once in a blue moon?
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 03:47 pm
I'd love to have an opinion but I dare not.

I can point out that if information is power, then this is about redistribution of same. How you feel about that might depend in who and where you are.

JPB
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 05:35 pm
@Eorl,
Why don't you dare to have an opinion, Eorl?
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 06:07 pm
I love Wikileaks. It's really quite amusing. The Gov of the Bank of England telling the Yanks that our PM and Chancellor of the Exchequer are "out of their depth" had me smiling. Media has obviously decided that we all love it. It is positively drooling. Any shamefaced expressions of guilt or irresponsibilty can be taken with a bit of salt.
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