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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Just the way we and our "partners" have been able to pressure the North Koreans and Iranians to cease developing nuclear weapons?

But the North Korean and Iranian nukes aren't as big a threat to the US as is Julian Assange...right?

In the case of Iran the pressure is hurting like hell and is doing some good in the case of North Korea the only ones with real control/ties over them is China and for some reason they are still allowing them to go ahead at the moment.

But if you wish to think that we and some of the major European nations can not and are not pressuring Sweden in this matter feel free to live in your dream world.

Here is an example of US power at work...........
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The Other Banking Drama: Those Secret Swiss Accounts
Published: March 12, 2009 in Knowledge@Emory

While world markets are teetering in a global banking meltdown, another banking drama is playing out in Switzerland that could end the way private banking has been done there for centuries.

U.S. tax authorities have challenged long-standing Swiss banking secrecy laws, demanding that UBS AG release the names of 52,000 Americans suspected of opening secret accounts to evade taxes. The bank agreed to release client information on 250 U.S. citizens and pay a $780 million fine as part of a settlement, but that decision has put the entire Swiss banking system in jeopardy, according to Wharton faculty.

"Swiss banking as we have known it is dead," says Wharton professor of operations and information management Maurice Schweitzer.

Even though UBS has balked at releasing the full 52,000 names, turning over the 250 client names put a "chink" in the system that will destroy the trust of wealthy people around the world in Swiss bank accounts, he says. "Secrecy is at the heart of Swiss banking. This UBS case shakes that foundation of trust that clients had placed in Swiss banks regarding the secrecy [of] those accounts."

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We are in trouble men. Since when have unsupported allegations from women that events in a bed not to their liking, as an afterthought, have been sufficient to underpin all this stuff?

I imagine that no Swedish male is ever going to allow himself to be "with" a woman when no third parties are present unless he is married to her. And particularly not with any ceiling busters like the Swedish prosecution service has promoted.

If there is any other evidence than the allegations I have not seen it. It is being taken for granted that what these women say is true by other women who want it to be true and are enjoying talking about it and being in the public eye for doing so.

Even posters here supporting Mr Assange seem to take it for granted that the unsupported allegations are true.

The only reason I can think of for why British media are not up in arms and outraged at what is going on is that it has been infiltrated by feminists who are obsessed with sex because they never get any for the reason stated above (men avoid them) and are hysterically incapable of thinking of anything else.

It isn't all that long ago that women were not allowed to give evidence, even under oath, in court cases. If it is said that that was due to misogyny it can just as easily be said that it was because women are untrustworthy and can cry in the witness box to order as we see actresses do in soaps.

The upshot, it seems to me, is that pre-marital chastity will be restored and that the so called permissive society was brought in, contrary to the wisdom of history, to sell media products and its fatal flaw was put on Ignore for commercial gain. "Cheating" will be abolished and once a man is restricted to the woman he marries all the girls will be happy again instead of just the lookers and exam passers: the body fascists. Proper monogamy warts and all.

I had pondered in recent years who so many women come in the pub and are left to themselves. It must be very frustrating for two or three women to get all glammed up for a night out and have to buy their own drinks all evening and to be left alone and then depart unsung and unloved to their lonely abodes. It's a common sight these days and no wonder.

Mr Assange is guilty of having unsupported allegations made against him and them being taken oh so seriously by a media feeding on sexual frustration and an eagerness to have sexual imagery constantly in mind.

Look out lads.

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@spendius,

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Look out lads.

What a pity, given your apparent good sense, that you never showed up in the rape thread to argue your position....

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Hi, i know this sound great but does it care about the fans who didn't make it because if you can lead to the winnig then you should also be prepare for the worst one without knowing the scenario.

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@spendius,

i don't know, i have to agree with a member of his legal team, if the original dismissed charges were against some guy off the street, they wouldn't have got a second chance, there's way more to this than meets the eye, with any luck, Assange can leak the info in a year or so

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@hawkeye10,

I wasn't talking abour rape hawk. I was talking about unsupported allegations from people who have an interest in making them and a bloke being banged up in something near to solitary confinement in a basement cell as a result.

I think British justice has been set aside and I'm very surprised that our media is acquiescing like a lamb. And I draw conclusions from those facts.

I will say that I think evolutionary benefits must come from rape if aggression and strength are admirable. That's one of the reasons why I think the left PC brigade are incoherent when they promote evolution teaching.

At Prime Minister's Questions today (PMQs) there was a lady sat behind the leader of the opposition with her tits nearly out. Kay Burley, the Sky News afternoon anchor, was shown yesterday sitting with her legs crossed and her skirt well up her admittedly good thighs. When she stood up the skirt was a good foot below her knees. This is the lady who used her influence to get on amateur Ice Dancing and was shown floating towards the camera on the shoulders of her partner with her legs wide open, her tutu blowing uphill and gusset prominent. A sort of artistic opposite to the famous shot of Marilyn Monroe.

Katie Couric is not averse to a good thigh flash even when talking about military deaths.

I don't really know what to think really. If things carry on as they are I pity the blokes in 100 years.

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@Pemerson,

You quote Margaret Carlson who obviously got her legal facts wrong - no surprise from a left-leaning journalist - without correction:

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For now, at least, Sweden has managed to curb the globetrotting publicity machine that is WikiLeaks founder and editor Julian Assange by charging him with sex-related crimes.

Sweden has not charged the man with anything - they're asking for his extradition in order to question him to see if a charge can be brought against him. Sweden is the original nanny state our current wannabe nanny-staters in office want to emulate! I certainly hope they can be stopped before they get there.

The extreme right wing of the Republican party (to which I have the honor of belonging) is up in arms against this persecution of a man who is charged with no crime other than publishing THE TRUTH - which nobody denies! Look up Rep. Ron Paul's speech yesterday in defense of internet freedom.

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@spendius,

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I don't really know what to think really.

Ain't that the truth! Better you join Hawkeye on that rape thread than you come back to the evolution thread - at least there, you're invited.

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@djjd62,

There were no charges, dismissed or otherwise. Sweden embarked on a fishing expedition via a "EU rendition / extradition request" and failed miserably.

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Somewhat different analysis perhaps for anyone interested in New Matilda:

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http://newmatilda.com/2010/12/15/secrets-and-leaks

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Part of what is being exposed by the leaking of previously secret communication through Wikileaks, is the enormous distance between most people and the process of participatory citizenship. This distance is one of the most potent pieces of information revealed in the communications so far.

Secrets also forge a schism in our perception of time, particularly as they keep the mind focused on the past and the potential future. This is why those of us with difficult secrets to keep often find it hard to live in the present. This is one of the potential pitfalls in the struggle Julian Assange believes he and others are waging on behalf of international informational freedom; in our current focus on what the leaks reveal about the past and what secrets may be revealed in the future, we risk losing our interest in the current threats to human and environmental life. Like the characters in the Matrix, we need to ask ourselves if we are really prepared to absorb this new information, or whether we are determined to see the world as it has been presented to us. The most difficult aspect of Wikileaks may not be the public dishing up of information, but our potential inability or unwillingness to digest it.

Many of the Wikileaks cables have been received with a terrible kind of coolness — as if we are still teenagers, and the worst thing is to look like we don’t know something. We can only be seen to be clever if we already know everything. This dilutes the very real significance of some of this information, by denying that it was actually very effectively kept from the public. This keeps us ignorant of the structures of power, and vulnerable to further deception. Instead of taking this new information in, and allowing it to change us, we spit it out, and say we knew it already. This allows the structures of informational power to remain intact, and allows us to remain in the role of either children or blind accomplices.

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@High Seas,

On 20 August 2010, an investigation was opened against Assange and an arrest warrant issued in Sweden in connection with sexual encounters with two women, aged 26 and 31, one in Enköping and the other in Stockholm. Shortly after the investigation opened, chief prosecutor Eva Finné withdrew the warrant to arrest Assange, overruling the prosecutor who had been on call when the report had been filed and saying "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape." An investigation continued with respect to a possible charge of harassment, as defined by local law. Assange denied the allegations, said he had consensual sexual encounters with the two women, and said along with his supporters that they were an attempt at character assassination and smear campaign. He was questioned by police for an hour on 31 August, and on 1 September a senior Swedish prosecutor, Marianne Ny, re-opened the investigation citing new information. The women's lawyer, Claes Borgström, a Swedish politician, had earlier appealed against the decision not to proceed.

this seems to me that charges of a sort were pursued and then if not dropped at least severely curtailed, basically a mid level prosecutor saw no merit in a low level prosecutors case, but a senior level prosecutor later overruled the mid level one

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@djjd62,

you know what's crazy, i would have swore that the original talk about these sex charges was at least a year old, not six months

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@High Seas,

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Better you join Hawkeye on that rape thread than you come back to the evolution thread - at least there, you're invited.

I have no intention of joining that rape thread. But I will say that it is very bad manners to enter a thread that's been going a long while and then start laying down the rules about who is invited or otherwise. You have no business on a science thread because you haven't a scientific idea in your head. Despite that fact I am not ignorant and ill-mannered enough to ask you to leave it. I'm not a thread-tailor which you obviously are. What's the point of a debate in which you have carefully chosen the participants so that your equanimity isn't disturbed?

I am obviously invited on the evolution thread from the evidence of the number of responses my posts get. I'm sorry if they upset you but science has nothing to do with your issues with Christian teaching on sexual matters.

Your pro-evolution teaching stance is a mere affectation and you would run a mile if any real evolutionary principles were put in your way. Anybody can talk about chiclids and flagellum. What about your food gathering tail?

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@spendius,

You've always been a most godawful fool but inability to read simple declarative sentences in English is a new phenomenon with you. I'm inviting you nowhere; I'm simply observing nobody else on the evolution thread is inviting you either, so you might as well trek over to the rape thread. G'bye!

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@High Seas,

Drivel.

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

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On 20 August 2010, an investigation was opened against Assange........ re-opened the investigation citing new information....

this seems to me that charges of a sort were pursued

and this seems to me that investigations were pursued - not charges

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@JTT,

Rep-elect West (R-FL) wrote:

And I think that we also should be censoring the American news agencies which enabled him to do this and also supported him and applauding him for the efforts.

I can think of someone who should be censured, and it isn't our media.

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@High Seas,

true, but if the nobel committee was starting investigations about me i'd think i might be getting an award for something, if the police were starting investigations i'd think i might be getting charged with something

i suppose i should have said charges were levelled, leading to an investigation

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Time magazine named Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg Person of the Year for 2010. Zuckerberg, 26, owns about a quarter of Facebook's shares and is, to quote Time, "a billionaire six times over."

After pledging earlier this year to give $100 million to the Newark, N.J., school system, Zuckerberg last week joined the Giving Pledge--the effort led by Microsoft founder Bill Gates and investor Warren Buffett to convince some of the country's richest to give away most of their wealth. Others that have joined the campaign include New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, media titan Barry Diller, CNN founder Ted Turner and filmmaker George Lucas.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2010/12/mark_zuckerberg_times_person_o.html?hpid=topnews

we are all shocked right?

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@hawkeye10,

funny, i think the CIA should assassinate Zuckergerg, he's done more to ruin the world than Assange could ever hope for, Farmville alone should be punishable by death

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