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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
margo
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 07:55 pm
Poor old Geoffrey Robertson has had to cut short his Australian holiday to head back to London! Sad

It does sound like his sort of campaign, though. I was surprised not to see him in that batch of defenders in court. Jemima Khan?
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:15 pm
@hingehead,
Thanks, hinge.
I missed that.

From a BBC report I just read:
Interesting that one of the reasons for refusing bail was that "Mr Assange might flee and (the judge) also feared he "may be at risk from unstable persons"

Very unusual, isn't it, that a person might be held in custody for their own protection? Confused
I mean, this is a sex charge he's facing, it's not about Wikileaks.
I'm wondering if he was just Julian Anyone & not the founder of Wikileaks, if he'd be out on bail now.
Is there some danger that he might commit more "rapes" if he was out on bail now? Confused

I notice that John Pilger was one of the people who offered sureties for Julian Assange's bail application:


Quote:
Five people, including journalist John Pilger, film director Ken Loach and Jemima Khan, the sister of Conservative MP Zac Goldsmith, offered to put up sureties.

But district judge Howard Riddle refused bail for Mr Assange and he was remanded in custody until 14 December.


Judge Riddle said he believed Mr Assange might flee and he also feared he "may be at risk from unstable persons".

Gemma Lindfield, for the Swedish authorities, gave details of the allegations against Mr Assange.

One of the charges is that he had unprotected sex with a woman, identified only as Miss A, when she insisted he use a condom.

Another is that he had unprotected sex with another woman, Miss W, while she was asleep.

Mr Assange, who was accompanied by Australian consular officials, initially refused to say where he lived but eventually gave an address in Australia.

Afterwards Ms Khan explained why she was willing to put up a surety: "I offered my support as I believe that this is about the universal right of freedom of information and our right to be told the truth."

At a full hearing, which is not likely to take place for some weeks, Mr Assange will be able to raise his arguments against extradition.

The "fast-track" European arrest warrant system is based on the concept that all the participating countries have legal systems which meet similar standards, and fully respect human rights.

If Julian Assange is to avoid extradition he would need to show the warrant is politically motivated. This has been argued successfully in the past by Russian oligarchs, though Sweden has a better judicial record than Russia.

Or he would need to use technical arguments - arguing the warrant does not show specifically what law has been broken. But most technical mistakes could be resolved eventually and the warrant reissued.


Wikileaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson said it would not stop the release of more secret files and told Reuters on Tuesday: "Wikileaks is operational. We are continuing on the same track as laid out before.

"Any development with regards to Julian Assange will not change the plans we have with regards to the releases today and in the coming days." ....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:21 pm
@msolga,
This new found vigourousness from the swedes is interesting considering this

Full story
Quote:
Sweden slammed over sexual violence inaction
Published: 8 Mar 10 06:23 CET

Sweden and its Nordic neighbours have been slammed by human rights group Amnesty International for failing to combat sexual violence, a new report shows.

"In spite of all the progress towards equality between women and men in many fields in the Nordic societies, when it comes to rape the legal measures are still not adequate," the human rights group said in a report.

"Rape and other forms of sexual violence remain an alarming reality that affects the lives of many thousands of girls and women every year in all Nordic countries," it added.

The report, entitled "Case Closed," said that Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden all suffered from gaps in their legal systems, making it complicated to sufficiently prosecute and punish sex crimes.

Across the region, only a small percentage of rapes are ever reported, and even when they are reported, only a few make it to court, where the acquittal rate is very high, the report showed.
Full story

msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:23 pm
@margo,
Quote:
Poor old Geoffrey Robertson has had to cut short his Australian holiday to head back to London! Sad


Smile

But he didn't have to cut short his holiday, margo.
He chose to cut it short, to represent Julian Assange.
And good on him, I say!
He hadn't actually been actively involved in Assange's legal defense effort prior that.


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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:42 pm
@hingehead,
That's interesting, hinge.
And I used to believe Scandinavians were so enlightened in these matters! Neutral

There is so much about the charges against Assange which sound nutsy & don't make sense.

I mean, if what John Pilger (others others) are saying is correct, the two women wanted the (initial) charges dropped. And they were. Then were reopened again in another Swedish city, anyway.

And what sort of aggrieved, violated woman throws a party in honour of her rapist, soon after the rape? Confused

Or holds a press conference for him? Confused

Julian Assange's Melbourne lawyer said in Crikey last week that if this case ever gets to court, it's going to make the Swedish authorities a laughing stock.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:57 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Sweden slammed over sexual violence inaction
Published: 8 Mar 10 06:23 CET

Sweden and its Nordic neighbours have been slammed by human rights group Amnesty International for failing to combat sexual violence, a new report shows.

Silly me, all this time I thought Sweden was a democratic nation where the citizens decided the laws that they live under....I was not aware that that Citizen duty had be subcontracted out to Amnesty International...
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:04 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
Julian Assange's Melbourne lawyer said in Crikey last week that if this case ever gets to court, it's going to make the Swedish authorities a laughing stock.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:08 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
(btw, he's a fantastic journalist, very good value, in my opinion.
I've been following his writings for years now.


Me too. I doubt that I'd have any trouble with the accent but I do have trouble waiting four hours for something to download, you know, dialup, remember that?
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:11 pm
@CalamityJane,
Let me get this straight, Hitler made it as "Man of the Year"in 1938, granted he hadn't experience full bloom yet, but still, but Julian Assange has been removed, ... for what reason?
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:12 pm
@ossobuco,
Plug ins don't bite, Osso.
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:14 pm
@JTT,
Flash does.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:18 pm
@hingehead,
Obviously, they are simply trying to improve their system, Hinge.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:20 pm
@hingehead,
I stand corrected. How so, HH?
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:20 pm
@JTT,
Sorry, I was being flippantly techy, but Flash does bite. Bring on HTML 5 and CSS3.
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:23 pm
@JTT,
Heh, I'm confusing myself by replying to the wrong messages with the wrong answers.

Flash does suck - the use of it in banner ads makes response times for entire sites crash - there's a massive push to get Adobe to fix it, or just get rid of it altogether. It really sucks in chrome. On with the show!
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:24 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Sorry, I was being flippantly techy, but Flash does bite. Bring on HTML 5 and CSS3.


I'm really interested, if you can explain in a non-techy way. I've never heard of HTML5 or CSS3, but techy wise that's not saying much. Are they Aussie?
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:26 pm
@hingehead,
I was wondering what was giving me so much trouble - I couldn't wait for Flash 64 and now I wish they would take it back. I just can not figure out why they can't standardize all this crap and be done with it!
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:27 pm
@JTT,
Yep. Like Finn says, Amnesty have a lot of clout Rolling Eyes
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:30 pm
@JTT,
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...dialup, remember that?

I do, indeed.
A fairly recent changeover to broadband here. What a blessed relief!
My commiserations.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:36 pm
@JTT,
Hmmm. Non techy. Well currently web page display is largely controlled by two international standards html4 and css2 which largely focus on presenting text and static images. Flash was developed yonks ago to allow for the creation of complex animated effects that could respond to user interaction that could be visible in a web page. But it required a plug in. HTML5 and CSS3 allows designers to create web pages that allow stunningly complex effects within web pages without requiring any plugins - just a browser that can render them.

Chrome can. Firefox 3.6* can partially. I'm not sure about IE8 - but IE9 probably can

If your browser is up to it this is a pretty good demo:

http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/
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