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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 11:40 am
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Court Denies Dismissal Of Charges Against Bradley Manning
(CBS Radio, June 8, 2012)

A military judge is refusing to dismiss any of the 22 counts against an Army private charged in a massive leak of government secrets in what has become known as the WikiLeaks Case.

Col. Denise Lind made the rulings Friday during a pretrial hearing for Pfc. Bradley Manning at Fort Meade, Md.

She rejected a defense argument that the government used unconstitutionally vague language in charging Manning with eight counts of unauthorized possession and disclosure of classified information.

Lind also refused to dismiss two counts alleging Manning exceeded his authority to access a Defense Department computer system.

She said Manning’s trial, currently set for September, will likely start in November or January due to procedural issues.

Manning is charged with aiding the enemy and other offenses on accusations he caused thousands of classified documents to be published on the WikiLeaks website.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 07:16 pm
@wandeljw,
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Manning is charged with aiding the enemy and other offenses on accusations he caused thousands of classified documents to be published on the WikiLeaks website.

I guess the prosecution will be obliged to fully justify this charge in court?
I mean, clearly explaining in legal terms who this enemy is & how they were "aided" by the release of the US cables.
This still seems to me to be more a political statement than an actual offence which can be "proved" in a court of law.

If the release of those US ambassadors' cables was so damaging, why just stop at Bradley Manning?
Why not also charge the NYT, the Guardian, the Age, the ABC News, CNN, Der Spiegel & all the other news outlets which published the details, in full knowledge of their source? Surely they were also "aiding the enemy" (whoever the enemy is) by their actions?
If those cables were not supplied by Wikileaks, but by some whistle blower within some government department, I have no doubt that that most of those news outlets would have published the details anyway. Why wouldn't they? That's their job.
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 09:10 pm
@msolga,
I would imagine that it is because Manning is held to have had a legal obligation not to leak "secrets" and the papers do not.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 09:24 pm
@dlowan,
oh of course, Deb.
There's no denying there's a case there.
But I was talking about the "aiding the enemy" aspect of the charges against him.
Which the prosecution will be obliged to "prove" in court.
I mean they would have to identify "the enemy" for starters, then supply proof of how the cable disclosures "aided" the "enemy", surely?
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 11:31 pm
@msolga,
Not sure....I assume he signed some sort of document before he went to work where he did?
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 11:40 pm
@dlowan,
He hasn't denied he illegally acquired the material ..... the question about whether he had personal contact with Julian Assange is what the US prosecutors are attempting to prove, amongst other things.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 11:53 am
@dlowan,
No one is required to keep secrets regarding war crimes, terrorism and other illegal activity.

That the US is regularly involved in war crimes, terrorism and other illegal activities is way way beyond dispute. That so many do keep these evil secrets says a lot about the people involved in these affairs.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 11:56 am
@wandeljw,
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.
~ Albert Einstein

Do you see yourself in that, JW? How about your compatriots in hiding, disguising and explaining away the war crimes of the US?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 01:55 pm
@JTT,
Nationalism is a major cause of war. Diplomacy is our best hope for preventing war. Diplomacy was disrupted when Wikileaks released secret diplomatic cables.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 04:23 pm
@wandeljw,
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Nationalism is a major cause of war. Diplomacy is our best hope for preventing war. Diplomacy was disrupted when Wikileaks released secret diplomatic cables.


Naive too, I see, JW. If you think the US's diplomacy aims to prevent wars, ooops sorry, illegal invasions, you are major nuts. History, the real stuff, not the **** y'all are fed, tells a much different story.

There was no diplomacy on the part of the Bush gang of criminals. It was a typical US move to go on the flimsiest of excuses. Again, look at history. The excuses have all been flimsy as hell. But it should be noted that they are sufficient for most Americans.

Evidently, these flimsy excuses are enough for you too.

Millions dead and lives destroyed and there's not so much as a "we're sorry". Ask yourself, what kind of people do that to other people?

If you are honest with yourself [oh look a flying pig!] they are the same people that you lock up for life or those you hang or lethally inject or shoot or electrocute.

But not Bush and the gang, though they killed untold numbers.



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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 10:08 am
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Assange Lawyers Ask U.K. Supreme Court to Reconsider Extradition
(By Kit Chellel, Bloomberg News, June 12, 2012)

Julian Assange, founder of the anti- secrecy website WikiLeaks, filed a challenge to a decision by the U.K.’s top court that allows him to be extradited to Sweden to face rape charges.

Assange’s lawyers asked the Supreme Court to re-open the case to consider a specific point of law, court spokesman Ben Wilson said. The court can decide not to review the case and such appeals are rare, he said.

Assange lost his appeal to a lower court’s ruling to send him to Sweden where he is wanted on rape charges following an 18-month legal fight which ended in the Supreme Court on May 30. His lawyer, Dinah Rose, said at the time she hadn’t been allowed to take issue with part of the ruling dealing with a European treaty on extraditions.

The claims by two women that Assange sexually assaulted them became public around the same time he posted classified U.S. military and diplomatic cables on the WikiLeaks website. Assange, an Australian, claimed Sweden fabricated the arrest warrant to assist the U.S. in punishing him for the breach.

Gareth Peirce, another lawyer for Assange, didn’t immediately return a phone-call seeking comment on the latest filing.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 07:22 pm
@wandeljw,
Your focus is terrible, JW. Or grand, depending on whether you consider yourself a propagandist or an honest person.
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Marie Colvin
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2012 07:34 am
@JPB,
Hello friends,

WikiLeaks is an international, online, self-described not-for-profit organisation publishing submissions of private, secret, and classified media from anonymous news sources, news leaks. WikiLeaks require all country.

Best regards
Marie Colvin
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 10:56 am
From UK Supreme Court website:

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Application to re-open appeal
Julian Assange v Swedish Prosecution Authority
14 June 2012


The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom has dismissed the application made by Ms Dinah Rose QC, counsel for Mr Julian Assange, seeking to re-open their appeal.

The seven Justices who heard the appeal on 1-2 February 2012 and gave judgment on 30 May 2012 have considered the appellant's written application, and the reasons for their decision are set out below. These reasons have been agreed unanimously by the seven Justices.

In addition, the Court has ordered that, with the agreement of the respondent and pursuant to section 36(3)(b) of the Extradition Act 2003, the required period for extradition shall not commence until the 14th day after today.

1.Mr Assange applies to set aside the judgment that has been given against him and to re-open the appeal. The grounds of the application are that the majority of the Court decided the appeal on a ground that Ms Rose QC, Mr Assange’s counsel, had not been given a fair opportunity to address. That ground was that article 31(3)(b) of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (“the Convention”) and the principle of public international law expressed in that article rendered admissible State practice as an aid to the interpretation of the Framework Decision.
2.At the outset of her address to the Court Ms Rose gave five headings for the submissions that she proposed to make. The third of these was the relevance of subsequent events, other EU Instruments and the practice of EU States. A considerable volume of documentary material that had been placed before the Court related to these matters.
3.In the course of her submissions under her third heading, as she has accepted, Lord Brown expressly put to her that the Convention applied to the interpretation of the Framework Decision. That Convention, as Ms Rose has recognised, sets out rules of customary international law. Had Ms Rose been minded to challenge the applicability of the Convention, or the applicability of State practice as an aid to the construction of the Framework Decision, or the relevance and admissibility of the material relating to State practice, she had the opportunity to do so. She made no such challenge. Her submissions were to the effect that caution should be exercised when considering the effect of State practice.
4.For these reasons the Court considers that this application is without merit and it is dismissed.
5.Ms Rose has raised a further point which has validity. Para 83 of the judgment refers to offences of which Mr Assange “stands charged”. This is not accurate as charges have not yet been brought against Mr Assange. The judgment will be corrected to read “offences in respect of which his extradition is sought”.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 01:11 pm
@wandeljw,
The quality of mercy hath become o'er strained.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2012 03:40 pm

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/19/12302374-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-seeks-asylum-in-ecuador?lite&google_editors_picks=true

By msnbc.com news services
Updated at 4:17 p.m. ET: WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange has taken refuge in the Ecuador Embassy in London and has asked for political asylum, Ecuador's foreign minister said on Tuesday.


Follow @msnbc_world "Ecuador is studying and analyzing the request," Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino told reporters in the capital Quito.


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The Ecuador Embassy issued the following statement:

This afternoon Mr Julian Assange arrived at the Ecuadorian Embassy seeking political asylum from the Ecuadorian government.

As a signatory to the United Nations Universal Declaration for Human Rights, with an obligation to review all applications for asylum, we have immediately passed his application on to the relevant department in Quito.

While the department assesses Mr Assange's application, Mr Assange will remain at the embassy, under the protection of the Ecuadorian Government.

The decision to consider Mr Assange's application for protective asylum should in no way be interpreted as the Government of Ecuador interfering in the judicial processes of either the United Kingdom or Sweden.

Assange faces extradition to Sweden for questioning over alleged sex crimes after Britain's top court said last week that it had rejected a legal request to reconsider his case.

Assange is wanted for questioning in Sweden after two women accused him of sexual misconduct during a visit to the country in mid-2010. His legal struggle to stay in Britain has dragged on for the better part of two years, clouding his website's work exposing the world's secrets.

In a brief, five-point judgment, the British court rejected arguments that Assange's legal team hadn't been given the chance to properly cross-examine the evidence that justices relied on to deny the Australian native's appeal against extradition.

Claes Borgstrom, the lawyer for Assange's accusers, told The Associated Press that Thursday's ruling is "an obvious and expected decision that has been delayed for too long."

The development effectively exhausted Assange's legal options in Britain, and he could be sent to Sweden by the end of the month. Assange could still apply to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, but legal experts say the 40-year-old stands little chance there.

The former computer hacker gained international prominence in 2010 when WikiLeaks began releasing secret video footage and thousands of U.S. diplomatic cables, many of them about Iraq and Afghanistan, in the largest leak of classified documents in U.S. history.

That made him a hero to anti-censorship campaigners, but Washington was furious about the release of classified documents.

JTT
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2012 07:53 pm
@BillRM,
Uncle Sam's dirty little mitts are in there somewhere.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2012 09:57 am
To grant asylum, Ecuador would need to be convinced that the allegations in Sweden are part of a conspiracy to have Assange tried for treason in the United States.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2012 11:06 am
@wandeljw,
There might be a deal. What's in it for the US in getting him over there? There's only revenge to play for to set against the millions it will cost.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2012 07:58 pm
@wandeljw,
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To grant asylum, Ecuador would need to be convinced that the allegations in Sweden are part of a conspiracy to have Assange tried for treason in the United States.


Ecuador, like all South American countries is well aware of the evil the US has perpetrated upon virtually all, [all??] Central and South American countries.

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