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@BillRM,

It was more a comment about not knowing nearly enough about that particular issue in the US you talked about, Bill. Perhaps someone who lives in the US & knows more about it will be interested in discussing it further with you?
But no need to get snarky. Wink

I posted this morning because I was interested in privacy issues related to the "Twitter" ruling.

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@msolga,

What country do you live in as I would bet that cell phone tracking is being done in your country by your police also.

As I already posted Germany had already been found to had place spyware/malware on people computers so all this is not limited to the US.

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@BillRM,

I live in Australia.
You may well be right about cell phone tracking for all I know.
But I'm here, on this thread, to discuss issues directly related to Wikileaks.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude to you.

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@msolga,

No problem but they all do interrelated and with special note of Wikileaks people are now publicly complaining about governments used of their powers to investigate Wikileak and it people.

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@BillRM,

Yes, indeed they are.
And they have good reason to complain in response to the US court's "Twitter" ruling. To the best of my knowledge there has been no such ruling in any other country but the US. That's why the Inter-Parliamentary Union (Council of Europe) has taken its strong position on privacy rights.
But I'll have to leave things here, Bill.
Nice talking to you.

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@msolga,

Sorry but England at least is worst then the US in the regard to having great powers to investigate and access records of it citizens and when I can get around to it I will check your country.

The US is just seems more open then others counties concerning the matter.

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@BillRM,

I'll let the UK A2Kers respond to that if they wish to, Bill.
They'd know better than I would.

To me, the question would be: has the British government actually used such powers (if they actually have them) to investigate online social network users? For political purposes, as in the "Twitter" case.

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@msolga,

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To me, the question would be: has the British government actually used such powers (if they actually have them) to investigate online social network users? For political purposes, as in the "Twitter" case.

I seriously doubt anything quite like the "twitter" court case has occurred in Britain.
I say this as a regular follower of a number of online British news sites.
We would certainly have heard about it from the UK press if it had occurred!

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Guaranteeing privacy is important when diplomats have contact with dissidents in foreign nations. I hope Wikileaks supporters see the irony in claiming that their privacy has been violated.

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@wandeljw,

wandeljw wrote:

Guaranteeing privacy is important when diplomats have contact with dissidents in foreign nations. I hope Wikileaks supporters see the irony in claiming that their privacy has been violated.

Actually, I don't. But I live in a different legal system ...

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@msolga,

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To me, the question would be: has the British government actually used such powers (if they actually have them) to investigate online social network users? For political purposes, as in the "Twitter" case.

If memory serve me correctly the number of citizen records of all kind demanded by the UK government number around 400,000 plus in a decade or so.

I see no reason if banks records and isp records were demanded that such networks as facebook would be off limit but I do not think it gave a break down.

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@BillRM,

I honestly don't know what you're referring to (re the UK), Bill.

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I see no reason if banks records and isp records were demanded that such networks as facebook would be off limit but I do not think it gave a break down.

I'm not sure what you mean, exactly, but if you're saying that bank records & isp information should be available to governments on demand, I disagree.

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@msolga,

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but if you're saying that bank records & isp information should be available to governments on demand, I disagree

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They(UK) have the same kind of anti-terrorism 911 act as the US that give them all kinds of rights/powers to access any records they would wish for and therefore those records are open to their government not should be they are open to the UK government.

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@BillRM,

But previously you said the British government had used a similar act to the US Stored Communications Act. Against "400,000 plus" people.:

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The Justice Department also sought the information without a search warrant. US authorities used a 1994 law called the stored communications act to demand that Twitter provide the internet protocol addresses of users, a move that would give the location of the computer they used to log onto the internet. They also asked for bank account details, user names, screen names or other identities, mailing and other addresses.....

I'm still not clear about what this British act/law is & when it was used in a similar way as in the recent US court case.

I think we're going around in circles & getting nowhere fast. Smile

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@msolga,

I read a lot and came across the information/claimed that 400,000 plus cases of banks and isp records and other information was accessed by the UK government in the last ten years using the power of their 2001 anti-terrorism law.

I had not been able to re-find the 400,000 figure for some reason using google however the act is on the book and does give the UK government that kind of power.

Once more it would seems that if they<uk governmet> care to look at facebook and similar information they could do so with no block of any kind for doing so in relationship to wikileaks investigations.

Such records on the whole are going to be open to governments and anyone annoying governments to the degree that the wikileaks people had done should not be shock at that fact.

Footnote for some reason the US ask for information not using our terrorism act and that how it ended up in court but the US terrorism act even forbid anyone that turn over such information from telling anyone they had done so.

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@BillRM,

I'm going to leave it here, Bill.
If you discover the title of this UK act/law, & whether the British government is required to apply to a court to investigate people (as in the US case), then let us know.

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@msolga,

What are you taking about the anti-terrorism act of 2001 give them <UK>the right to demand such records without going to a court. In fact the same kind of rights that the US happen to have under our anti-terrorism laws.

The only reason that the matter come into public view is that the US did not for some unknown reason used the act to gain the records but went through the courts.

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@BillRM,

The reason the details became public was because Twitter challenged the subpoenas for the account information to be supplied to the Justice Department. If not for Twitter, the 3 people themselves would not have known they were being investigated.

Sorry Bill, I really am not interested in comparing the similarities & differences between the British anti-terrorism act & the US Stored Communications Act.
As I mentioned earlier, it might be more useful if someone from the UK, who knows far more about the British act than I do, pursues the subject with you, if they're interested.
I'm involved in this thread because I'm interested in Wikileaks-related issues.
OK. I'm leaving it here.

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@msolga,

How do you deal with wikileaks issues and the seizing of records dealing with the lives of wikileaks members without understanding the powers that governments now have to seize such records?

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@BillRM,

I fully aware governments abuse their powers.
I do not want to be side-tracked by UK issues on this thread, OK?
If anyone else wishes to discuss what you've raised they are most welcome to.

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