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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 10:30 am
@wandeljw,
II don't think so. But I may have missed that there's an international USA arrest warrant. In that case, Assange is accused in the USA of what crime(s)?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 10:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Those are not my words. Assange himself is claiming that the U.S. wants to extradite him.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 06:17 am

Quote:
Bradley Manning: top US legal scholars voice outrage at 'torture'
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 10 April 2011 20.01 BST

More than 250 of America's most eminent legal scholars have signed a letter protesting against the treatment in military prison of the alleged WikiLeaks source Bradley Manning, contesting that his "degrading and inhumane conditions" are illegal, unconstitutional and could even amount to torture.

The list of signatories includes Laurence Tribe, a Harvard professor who is considered to be America's foremost liberal authority on constitutional law. He taught constitutional law to Barack Obama and was a key backer of his 2008 presidential campaign.

Tribe joined the Obama administration last year as a legal adviser in the justice department, a post he held until three months ago.

He told the Guardian he signed the letter because Manning appeared to have been treated in a way that "is not only shameful but unconstitutional" as he awaits court martial in Quantico marine base in Virginia.

The US soldier has been held in the military brig since last July, charged with multiple counts relating to the leaking of thousands of embassy cables and other secret documents to the WikiLeaks website.

Under the terms of his detention, he is kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day, checked every five minutes under a so-called "prevention of injury order" and stripped naked at night apart from a smock.

Tribe said the treatment was objectionable "in the way it violates his person and his liberty without due process of law and in the way it administers cruel and unusual punishment of a sort that cannot be constitutionally inflicted even upon someone convicted of terrible offences, not to mention someone merely accused of such offences".

The harsh restrictions have been denounced by a raft of human rights groups, including Amnesty International, and are being investigated by the United Nations' rapporteur on torture.

Tribe is the second senior figure with links to the Obama administration to break ranks over Manning. Last month, PJ Crowley resigned as state department spokesman after deriding the Pentagon's handling of Manning as "ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid".

The intervention of Tribe and hundreds of other legal scholars is a huge embarrassment to Obama, who was a professor of constitutional law in Chicago. Obama made respect for the rule of law a cornerstone of his administration, promising when he first entered the White House in 2009 to end the excesses of the Bush administration's war on terrorism.

As commander in chief, Obama is ultimately responsible for Manning's treatment at the hands of his military jailers. In his only comments on the matter so far, Obama has insisted that the way the soldier was being detained was "appropriate and meets our basic standards".

The protest letter, published in the New York Review of Books, was written by two distinguished law professors, Bruce Ackerman of Yale and Yochai Benkler of Harvard. They claim Manning's reported treatment is a violation of the US constitution, specifically the eighth amendment forbidding cruel and unusual punishment and the fifth amendment that prevents punishment without trial. ...<cont>


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/10/bradley-manning-legal-scholars-letter
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 06:25 am
@msolga,
The initial statement plus update.
(see link for names of signatories):


Quote:
Tuesday, March 15, 2011

A Statement on Private Manning's Detention

Bruce Ackerman

(updated below)

Yochai Benkler and I invite members of the academic legal community to join us in signing the following statement, asking the Administration either publicly to justify, or end, the humiliation and mistreatment of Private Bradley Manning, the suspected whistleblower who is said to have leaked classified government documents to Wikileaks.

For background, you can read this editorial in today’s New York Times, The Abuse of Private Manning and get more details from Soldier in Leaks Case Will Be Made to Sleep Naked Nightly.

If you'd like to add your signature, please send your name and institutional affiliation to [email protected]. Signatories added below in periodic updates.

295 signatories.


Quote:

UPDATE:Our initial draft relied on news reports in the major news outlets. Comments we received since then lead us to think that two facts may be overstated in the original draft:
1. The instance of forced nudity overnight and in morning parade apparently occurred once. The continuing regime apparently commands removal of Pvt. Manning's clothes and his wearing a "smock" at night.
2. The shackling apparently occurs when Private Manning is moved from his cell to the exercise room, but not while walking during the one hour of exercise.

Other responses we have received suggest that there are claims of myriad other abuses that make conditions worse in various ways than we describe. We do not, and cannot, seek to adjudicate these factual claims. The conflicting responses underscore the need for a public, transparent, and credible response to the reported abuse, and cessation of those among them that cannot be justified.

Private Manning’s Humiliation

Bradley Manning is the soldier charged with leaking U.S. government documents to Wikileaks.

He is currently detained under degrading and inhumane conditions that are illegal and immoral.

For nine months, Manning has been confined to his cell for 23 hours a day. During his one remaining hour, he can walk in circles in another room, with no other prisoners present. He is not allowed to doze off or relax during the day, but must answer the question “Are you OK?” verbally and in the affirmative every five minutes. At night, he is awakened to be asked again, “are you OK” every time he turns his back to the cell door or covers his head with a blanket so that the guards cannot see his face. During the past week he was forced to sleep naked and stand naked for inspection in front of his cell, and for the indefinite future must remove his clothes and wear a "smock" under claims of risk to himself that he disputes.

The sum of the treatment that has been widely reported is a violation of the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, and the Fifth Amendment’s guarantee against punishment without trial. If continued, it may well amount to a violation of the criminal statute against torture, defined as, among other things, “the administration or application… of… procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality.”

Private Manning has been designated as an appropriate subject for both Maximum Security and Prevention of Injury (POI) detention. But he asserts that his administrative reports consistently describe him as a well-behaved prisoner who does not fit the requirements for Maximum Security detention. The Brig psychiatrist began recommending his removal from Prevention of Injury months ago. These claims have not been publicly contested. In an Orwellian twist, the spokesman for the brig commander refused to explain the forced nudity “because to discuss the details would be a violation of Manning’s privacy.”

The Administration has provided no evidence that Manning’s treatment reflects a concern for his own safety or that of other inmates. Unless and until it does so, there is only one reasonable inference: this pattern of degrading treatment aims either to deter future whistleblowers, or to force Manning to implicate Wikileaks founder Julian Assange in a conspiracy, or both.

If Manning is guilty of a crime, let him be tried, convicted, and punished according to law. But his treatment must be consistent with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. There is no excuse for his degrading and inhumane pre-trial punishment. As the State Department’s PJ Crowly put it recently, they are “counterproductive and stupid.” And yet Crowley has now been forced to resign for speaking the plain truth.

The Wikileaks disclosures have touched every corner of the world. Now the whole world watches America and observes what it does; not what it says.

President Obama was once a professor of constitutional law, and entered the national stage as an eloquent moral leader. The question now, however, is whether his conduct as Commander in Chief meets fundamental standards of decency. He should not merely assert that Manning’s confinement is “appropriate and meet[s] our basic standards,” as he did recently. He should require the Pentagon publicly to document the grounds for its extraordinary actions --and immediately end those which cannot withstand the light of day.
Signed:

Bruce Ackerman, Yale Law School
Yochai Benkler, Harvard Law School


http://balkin.blogspot.com/2011/03/statement-on-private-mannings-detention.html
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 09:30 am
Assange himself appeared in public last week and was challenged by journalists on some of his claims.

Quote:
Julian Assange claims WikiLeaks is more accountable than governments
(Esther Addley, Guardian.co.uk, Saturday 9 April 2011)

WikiLeaks is more accountable than democratically elected governments because it accepts donations from members of the public, Julian Assange has claimed, in his first formal public appearance since being arrested in December following accusations of rape and sexual assault.

Questioned at a public debate about the whistleblowing organisation's own transparency, Assange told an audience of 700 people, many of them supporters: "We are directly supported on a week-to-week basis by you. You vote with your wallets every week if you believe that our work is worthwhile or not. If you believe we have erred, you do not support us. If you believe we need to be protected in our work, you keep us strong.

"That dynamic feedback, I say, is more responsive than a government that is elected after sourcing money from big business every four years."

The WikiLeaks founder, who is currently appealing against his extradition to Sweden to face allegations of sexual assault, told the audience at a packed debate organised by the New Statesman and the Frontline Club that whistleblowing was essential in a democracy because "the only way we can know whether information is legitimately kept secret is when it is revealed".

He cited the examples of Vietnam and "the disaster that was the Iraq war", saying that if whistleblowers had had the courage to speak up earlier about both conflicts, "bloodbaths" could have been avoided.

He said he "could speak for hours" about the impact of the publication of leaked US embassy cables, much of it through the Guardian, and that leak's positive impact.

The Hindu newspaper had in recent weeks published 21 front pages based on so-called "cablegate" revelations, he said, leading to the Indian government walking out four times and a growing anti-corruption movement in the country.

But the political commentator Douglas Murray, director of the centre for social cohesion, challenged Assange over the website's sources of funding, its staffing and connections with the Holocaust denier Israel Shamir, who has worked with the site.

"What gives you the right to decide what should be known or not? Governments are elected. You, Mr Assange are not."

Murray also challenged the WikiLeaks founder over an account in a book by Guardian writers David Leigh and Luke Harding, in which the authors quote him suggesting that if informants were to be killed following publication of the leaks, they "had it coming to them".

Assange repeated an earlier assertion that the website "is in the process of suing the Guardian" over the assertion, and asked if Murray would like to "join the queue" of organisations he was suing.

The Guardian has not received any notification of such action from WikiLeaks or its lawyers.

Jason Cowley, the editor of the New Statesman and chair of the debate, interjected to ask: "How can the great champion of open society be using our libel laws to challenge the press?"

The WikiLeaks founder was obliged to leave before responding to all the questions in order to comply with the curfew conditions of his bail.

WikiLeaks' lawyer Mark Stephens could not be reached for comment. Asked after the debate whether he could shed any light on the supposed legal action, WikiLeaks spokesman Kristin Hrafnsson said "not really".
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 10:06 am
@wandeljw,
Quote:
"What gives you the right to decide what should be known or not? Governments are elected. You, Mr Assange are not."


It matters little that governments are elected if those same governments break the law. And we know that that has occurred with alarming regularity.

The press is trying to cover their butts for their complicity in allowing these "governments" to commit horrible crimes.

The right to decide what should be known or not comes from the right and duty of every moral person to expose evil, to expose behavior on the parts of governments that is simply immoral.

There is no shortage of moral people that can be counted on to savage a Gaddafi or a Mubarak, when the signal is put out to do so, but there is an unbelievably reluctance to do the same for, say the US, when we all know that,

"The crimes of the U.S. throughout the world have been systematic, constant, clinical, remorseless, and fully documented but nobody talks about them."
Harold Pinter, English dramatist

What do you think, JW?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 10:13 am
@JTT,
I am never happy about U.S. military intervention.

What do you think about Assange threatening to sue journalists? Does he have a double standard regarding press freedom?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 11:19 am
@wandeljw,
Quote:
I am never happy about U.S. military intervention.


Why do you use this misnomer, JW?

Quote:
What do you think about Assange threatening to sue journalists? Does he have a double standard regarding press freedom?


I don't understand what you mean by a "double standard". Could you please explain further?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 01:18 pm
@JTT,
Neither do I understand what wande means?
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 09:31 am
Quote:
Horace and free speech in the age of WikiLeaks
(By Robert Cowan, OxfordUniversityPress.com, April 13, 2011)

“Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself.” So wrote Salman Rushdie and he should know. Certainly free speech is routinely held up, often unreflectively, as an unambiguous, uncontroversial good – one of Franklin Roosevelt’s four freedoms, the right for which Voltaire would famously die, even if he disapproved of what was being said. In the age of WikiLeaks, the freedom to disseminate information and its corollary, the freedom to know what those in power have said or done in secret, have found ever more vigorous proponents, but also those who ask whether it has its limits.

It has always been problematic whether freedom of speech should be extended to those whose speech is considered abhorrent and who might even argue against others’ freedom of speech. Voltaire may offer to lay down his life and Chomsky may assert that “If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all”, but the very power of speech which makes its freedom so desirable can also render it an instrument of discrimination, violence, and oppression. It is no coincidence that it is often groups such as the BNP or Qur’an-burning pastors who hold up free speech as a banner under which they can use that freedom to demand the curtailment of others’ freedoms. Even more directly, the dangers of verbal incitement to hatred – be it on racial, sexual, or other grounds – are increasingly recognized in both the statute books and the public consciousness.

WikiLeaks has highlighted the other potential danger of free speech, that, in the famous words of the World War II poster, “careless talk costs lives”. Many have used the rhetoric of being willing to die for the right to free speech, but the issue becomes more problematic when it is soldiers who are dying in Afghanistan because of outrage at revelations of undiplomatic diplomatic cables. Once again, there is no coincidence that it is in times of war and unrest that the issue of free speech becomes particularly fraught. It is then that its negative ramifications can be most keenly felt, but it is also then that it is most under threat from the pressures of power and expediency, then that it most needs defending.

So what does all this have to do with the Roman poet Horace? Horace too was writing in a time of war and political upheaval. As he composed his Satires in the 30s BC, Rome had suffered almost a century of civil unrest exploding into outright civil war at regular intervals, and the final bout between Octavian (the future emperor Augustus) and Mark Antony was just around the corner. Horace himself had fought on “the wrong side” at the battle of Philippi in 42 BC, in the army of Julius Caesar’s assassins, Brutus and Cassius, against the ultimate victors, Octavian and Antony. Taken into the circle of Octavian’s ally and unofficial minister of culture, Maecenas, Horace had his status and his finances restored. It was at this point that Horace wrote book one of the Satires. These poems are full of profound human insights and uproarious, often filthy, humour, as can be experienced in John Davie’s lively new translation, but there is one large oddity about them. Horace chose to write satire, the genre of the 2nd century BC poet Lucilius, famed above all for his fearless freedom of speech, and he chose to write it in the period of probably the greatest military and political upheaval Rome ever underwent, but he “doesn’t mention the war”.

Not only does he not mention it, he goes out of his way not to mention it. Again and again there are opportunities to engage with the important political events in Rome and around her Mediterranean empire, but Horace repeatedly refuses. Satire 1.7 is all about Brutus’ time as governor of the province of Asia, but there is no mention of Philippi. Instead, Horace focuses on a dispute between two non-entities, full of free, even abusive, speech, but all on petty personal matters. Brutus’ murder of Caesar is finally mentioned, but almost apologetically in an excruciating pun. In Satire 1.5, Horace accompanies Maecenas on his journey to the world-changing conference between Octavian and Antony at Brundisium, but he carefully describes everything except the politics: bargemen singing love songs, locals arguing (again!), an over-zealous host, but whenever he’s in danger of letting slip anything important, his conjunctivitis means that he can’t see it, or his discretion prompts him to pass over it. The whole poem is encapsulated in the wet dream Horace has when a local tart stands him up: all anticipation and no money-shot.

Keeping your mouth shut is a recurrent theme in Horace’s poetry. In the Satires, he always criticizes those who write or talk too much (including Lucilius), and the classic example of this is the “windbag” in Satire 1.9 who, in a hilarious and beautifully observed sequence, just won’t leave Horace alone on his walk through Rome and won’t shut up. Men like this aren’t just annoying, Horace suggests; they’re dangerous. The windbag is also a social climber who wants to break into the circle of Maecenas using cynical means which will inevitably destroy it. The satirists who are too free with their speech step beyond their useful function of policing society’s norms and values into causing discord and unrest, even perhaps another civil war. In the Epistles too, moderation and discretion are the great virtues, especially when dealing with the great and the powerful.

How then are we to take all this? It is too easy to see Horace as a lackey, whose compliance and silence have been effectively bought by Octavian through Maecenas. The trauma felt by all Romans after the civil wars is hard to exaggerate and can be felt as an undercurrent (often bubbling to the surface) throughout all Augustan poetry. After such experiences, the peace and stability which come with moderation of speech and behaviour might seem cheaply bought at the price of a little curtailment of the freedoms which many saw as among the causes of civil unrest. Civil conflict brings particular challenges to the generations which follow it and one need only contrast the amnesty which followed the Athenian regime of the 30 tyrants with South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission to see how different societies deal with those challenges. Perhaps it is too harsh to criticize Horace for letting sleeping dogs lie when they are the dogs of civil war.

Yet there still remains the question as to why Horace chose Satire, the genre of free speech par excellence, to keep his mouth shut. He certainly set the trend for the future, as Persius under Nero and Juvenal under Trajan went to ever greater lengths to show how impossible it was to live up to Lucilius’ Republican freedom of speech in their Imperial satires. But it was that tradition of Lucilian freedom which Horace inherited and it was he who transformed it. Why? One answer is that Horace makes something new of Lucilian satire, not a ranting, virulent, politically-engaged polemic, but a moderate assertion of social and moral ideals. In the new, (almost) post-civil war world of Octavian, this is what satire had to be. Yet we cannot help feeling that Lucilian satire can’t be so easily transformed. We constantly feel the tension between Horace’s moderation, his discretion, his silence, and the Lucilian desire to tell it how it is which simmers under the surface. By writing satire that rejected freedom of speech, Horace may have been acknowledging its limits in a world shattered by civil war, but he was also lamenting its loss.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 11:26 am
Quote:
New arrest over Anonymous' pro-WikiLeaks attacks
(By Christopher Williams, Telegraph.co.uk, April 15, 2011)

The new suspect, a 22-year-old man from Cleveland, was questioned by specialist computer crime detectives at a local police station on Wednesday last week. He was bailed until 26 May pending further enquiries.

The five original suspects - three teenage boys and two men - have also all been bailed again in the last 48 hours, to reappear at police stations in June.

They were arrested at addresses in the West Midlands, Northamptonshire, Hertfordshire, Surrey and London in coordinated dawn operations on 27 January.

They are suspected of involvement in cyber attacks on the websites of Amazon, Bank of America, Mastercard, PayPal and Visa in December. Deliberately causing such disruption is an offence under the Computer Misuse Act and carries a sentence of up to 10 years' imprisonment.

The firms were targeted after they cut off services to WikiLeaks, amid controversy over its release of classified US diplomatic cables.

Anonymous saw the moves as an affront to free speech online, and in chatrooms planned Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks in revenge.

Members downloaded a specially-developed piece of software - dubbed the Low Orbit Ion Cannon - to participate in "Operation Avenge Assange". The software was designed to effectively shut down the websites by bombarding their servers with requests for data.

But the impact was limited: while Amazon’s heavy duty infrastructure withstood Anonymous’ attack, the Mastercard and Visa websites were temporarily disrupted. Yet credit card payment systems themselves were mostly unaffected.

Since the attacks international law enforcement agencies have been cooperating on an investigation that has also led to the arrest of alleged Anonymous members in France, the Netherlands, and the US.

The collective had already caught the attention of British authorities before its WikiLeaks-related attacks, however.

Scotland Yard's Police Central e-Crime Unit began inquiries after similar DDoS attacks by Anonymous in September, on organisations connected to the entertainment industry. Its targets included the BPI and ACS:Law, a London-based law firm that had controversially accused thousands of internet users of copyright piracy.

Anonymous, which emerged more than three years ago from the anarchic web forum 4Chan.org, is also battling other attempts to unmask its members.

In February it hacked into HBGary Federal, a government computer security contractor that claimed to have identified its leaders. The firm's chief executive was forced to step down after the hackers stole his emails and published them online.

And recently a group claiming to be made up of disgruntled former Anonymous members has published a dossier its says contains the true identities of senior figures. Several are listed as living in Britain.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 11:40 am
@wandeljw,
Robin Hoods, JW?
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 04:28 pm
Manning gets some new digs.

Quote:
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Army soldier accused of leaking secret documents to the WikiLeaks website was transferred Wednesday to a Kansas military jail.

Pfc. Bradley Manning arrived at the Army's prison at Fort Leavenworth after spending the past nine months at a Marine brig in Quantico, Va. His transfer came amid claims from his lawyer and others that his confinement at Quantico amounted to torture.

At Quantico, Manning was confined in solitary to a prison cell 23 hours per day, with one hour to shower and for exercise. He was in chains and leg irons whenever he left his cell. He was sometimes stripped naked at night and forced to stand at attention in the nude for morning inspection. More
Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 05:19 pm
@JPB,
That young man will be fortunate, indeed, if Leavenworth were to be made his permanent home, I think. Most who've committed crimes against government are held at the supermax prisons.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 11:25 am
Quote:
New WikiLeaks documents bring back old debates
(Sarah Robinson, Examiner.com, April 26, 2011)

Prime time political talk shows Monday night discussed the recently released Guantanamo Bay WikiLeaks documents. The illegally published files, by the notorious whistle-blowing website, have brought to the forefront political issues that were recently pushed aside during the latest partisan feud over the budget crisis. Since these confidential documents are continuing to pour out of popular international publications, such as The New York Times and The Guardian, the question of America’s national security system will likely be added on to the stack of tough political questions for the upcoming presidential election.

The O’Reilly Factor, the number one political cable show aired on Fox News, demonstrated what the espionage debate generally looks like regarding WikiLeaks when Bill O’Reilly debated former advisor to President Clinton Bernie Goldberg Monday night.

“I think you can make a strong case that these people are performing espionage on this country,” said O’Reilly referring to those who work for WikiLeaks. O’Reilly believes that the leaked documents could cause a security problem for the United States. If this is true, government officials can begin to lay the foundation to prosecute WikiLeaks under the Espionage Act.

“I think you have to distinguish between the person who actually downloaded and stole the documents and Wikileaks,” said Goldberg. “They got the information from whoever stole the documents and then made a decision to publish. I think they have a right to do that.”Although Goldberg stated that he is against such actions if harm is done to the U.S., he called the WikiLeaks website a “news organization” and seemed to lean away from charging them with any type of crime.

During the same cable time slot on CNN, Elliot Spitzer held a debate on his show In the Arena with senior analyst Jeffrey Tobin and national security analyst Peter Bergen on the question of Guantanamo Bay.

“The ability to project future dangers particularly on an ad-hoc basis as was done in Guantanamo is just very difficult,” argued Bergen for why the White House is in tough position as to what do regarding the detention facility. Bergen argues that some of the individuals being held in the prison are notorious and dangerous terrorists while others are being held there unjustly. The problem is, argued Bergen, is that it can be hard to decipher between the two.

“The Obama Administration is coming up with a policy of indefinite detention. They don’t call it that because that is the thing we associate with regimes like the Egyptian regime before the fall of Mubarak. But that’s a fact, and it’s an uncomfortable fact,” said Tobin in the same discussion.

WikiLeaks has continued to bring uncomfortable facts to light that have spurred debate over the organization itself and the content that it released. With the election coming up it will become harder for politicians to ignore these issues.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 01:31 pm
@wandeljw,
Quote:
With the election coming up it will become harder for politicians to ignore these issues.


They'll find a way wande.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 02:08 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
With the election coming up it will become harder for politicians to ignore these issues.


They'll find a way wande.
The people are pissed but they are not ready to deal with the problems for the most part. There is no upside for the politicians to try. You notice that Obama yaks about public debt for the PR machine but he neither has a plan for dealing with it nor plans to ever offer one.

We at best go sideways...waiting on the big crash.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 08:05 am
@Irishk,
Taking the example of a "theoretical" military prison.....they have a red line, a yellow line and a green line . If you behave, you graduate to a green line . If you misbehave, you get a red line . You may not talk to anyone unless spoken to first .

The toilets and food are between the yellow and green lines . Sunshine, exercise and company are beyond the green line . If you want to cross a line, you stand to attention at the line until a guard speaks to you . A small cell has a red line painted at the door . It has a bed and nothing else .

There are no bars . They don't need them . You will be starved, beaten and deprived of water and sleep if you break the rules . If you follow the rules, you will have the hardest discipline of your entire life as far as maintaining a uniform and working as a cleaner are concerned . If Leavenworth is like this "theoretical" prison that someone I know may have gone to, then supermax would be a picnic by comparison . These prisons are designed to destroy your soul and make you obey every order without thought . It is surprising how long even one day can be when people are "unhelpful" .
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 08:26 am
@Ionus,
I can't figure out where they get the staff from.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 08:38 am
@wandeljw,
Quote:
WikiLeaks has continued to bring uncomfortable facts to light


The underlined is a euphemism for war crimes, perfidy on a gigantic scale, all
manner of brutality, ... .

Quote:

Bergen argues that some of the individuals being held in the prison are notorious and dangerous terrorists


The irony!!

some of the individuals being held in the prison are notorious and dangerous terrorists and they are being held by even more notorious and dangerous terrorists.

Quote:
The problem is, argued Bergen, is that it can be hard to decipher between the two.


One has to wonder how it would be difficult to decipher when "some of the individuals are notorious".

The US has already got the notorious and dangerous one convicted - they got Osama's chauffeur. Yay team USA!


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