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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 03:14 pm
@wandeljw,
Quote:
But attorneys for the three argued that the release would violate their First Amendment rights.


Does it wande? FA rights seem to be a cloak one can put on and off according to circumstances and convenience.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 09:30 am
A PDF copy of Friday's decision to deny the challenge to the government's request for Twitter records can be found at this link:

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/03/Twitter-WikiLeaks-Opinion.pdf
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 10:14 am
@wandeljw,
I asked you wande if the release of the material would violate their First Amendment rights as the presumably qualified attorneys said it would.

Do you not know?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 11:37 am
Flash. The BBC is reporting that the U.S. State Dept spokesman, PJ Crowley has resigned after critical remarks about the detainment of Bradley Manning. Manning, a member of the military, is alleged to have given information to Wikileaks.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 11:46 am
@wandeljw,
Interesting.

I suspect the judge/government haven't thought this all the way through. This could bite the government on the butt. If nothing is private - then nothing is private - including government information exchange.

stupid is as stupid does
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 12:25 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
The disclosure of hundreds of thousands of classified US documents through WikiLeaks has claimed its first scalp within the Obama administration with the reported resignation of PJ Crowley, the official spokesman at the state department.

CNN is reporting that Crowley is abruptly stepping down as the public face of US foreign policy because of his remarks to an MIT seminar last week about the treatment of the suspected source of the WikiLeaks documents, Bradley Manning, in a military jail.

Crowley said: "What is being done to Bradley Manning is ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid on the part of the department of defence."

The remarks forced Obama to address the issue of Manning's regime in the brig at Quantico marine base in Virginia for the first time. The president sought to defend the treatment, which includes Manning being held in solitary confinement in his cell for 23 hours a day and being stripped naked at night. More
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 12:28 pm
@JPB,
If those are all true; that Obama supports the treatment of Manning, then Obama is also guilty of domestic and international laws. It's also contrary to the US Constitution. He's our president?

Both parties are destroying this democratic republic.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 12:29 pm
@JPB,
Good liberal eh?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 12:31 pm
@JPB,
Hmmm, I'd take that as regimen, not regime - and that apparent misquote has ramifications itself.

From my pov, good for Mr. Crowley.

Re Obama, gaaaaah.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 04:38 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Interesting.

I suspect the judge/government haven't thought this all the way through. This could bite the government on the butt. If nothing is private - then nothing is private - including government information exchange.

stupid is as stupid does


The judge's conclusion is restricted to information sought in a government investigation. "Nothing is private" sounds more like the motto of Wikileaks.

Judge Theresa Buchanan wrote:
The Twitter Order does not seek to control or direct the content of petitioners’ speech or association. Rather, it is a routine compelled disclosure of non-content information which petitioners voluntarily provided to Twitter pursuant to Twitter’s Privacy Policy. Additionally, the Court’s §2703(d) analysis assured that the Twitter Order is reasonable in scope, and the government has a legitimate interest in the disclosures sought.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 04:58 pm
@wandeljw,
Quote:
"Nothing is private" sounds more like the motto of Wikileaks.


You missed an important part of this, JW.

"When you're dirty, nothing is private".

Why wouldn't a big 'rule of law' country like the US of A seek to abide by that especially after "important lessons" that were learned from Watergate?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 04:59 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:
The judge's conclusion is restricted to information sought in a government investigation. "Nothing is private" sounds more like the motto of Wikileaks.



what it is, is real life NOW


Judge Theresa Buchanan wrote:
The Twitter Order does not seek to control or direct the content of petitioners’ speech or association. Rather, it is a routine compelled disclosure of non-content information which petitioners voluntarily provided to Twitter pursuant to Twitter’s Privacy Policy. Additionally, the Court’s §2703(d) analysis assured that the Twitter Order is reasonable in scope, and the government has a legitimate interest in the disclosures sought.



and the public has a legitimate interest in what their governments are doing


tit for tat



This isn't going to stop here.



If any government employee/politician thinks things are going to go backward in terms of information sharing , they're truly burying their heads in the sand.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 05:09 pm
Quote:
AlterNet / By Medea Benjamin and Charles Davis

Bradley Manning Humiliated and Abused: Why Is Exposing a War Crime More Dangerous Than Committing One?

Bradley Manning leaked cables showing officials covering up U.S. tax dollars funding child rape in Afghanistan, illegal bombings in Yemen and more -- and he's the one in jail?
March 7, 2011 |


NOTE: On March 20 CODEPINK and others will be traveling to the Quantico Marine Base to rally in support of Bradley Manning. You can sign the CODEPINK petition here asking President Obama to pardon Bradley Manning.

Bradley Manning is accused of humiliating the political establishment by revealing the complicity of top U.S. officials in carrying out and covering up war crimes. In return for his act of conscience, the U.S. government is holding him in abusive solitary confinement, humiliating him and trying to keep him behind bars for life.

The lesson is clear, and soldiers take note: You're better off committing a war crime than exposing one.

An Army intelligence officer stationed in Kuwait, the 23-year-old Manning - outraged at what he saw - allegedly leaked tens of thousands of State Department cables to the whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks. These cables show U.S. officials covering up everything from U.S. tax dollars funding child rape in Afghanistan to illegal, unauthorized bombings in Yemen. Manning is also accused of leaking video evidence of U.S. pilots gunning down more than a dozen Iraqis in Baghdad, including two journalists for Reuters, and then killing a father of two who stopped to help them. The father's two young children were also severely wounded.

"Well, it's their fault for bringing kids into a battle," a not-terribly-remorseful U.S. pilot can be heard remarking in the July 2007 "Collateral Murder" video.

None of the soldiers who carried out that war crime have been punished, nor have any of the high-ranking officials who authorized it. Indeed, committing war crimes is more likely to get a solider a medal than a prison term. And authorizing them? Well, that'll get you a book deal and a six-digit speaking fee. Just ask George W. Bush. Or Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld or Condoleezza Rice. Or the inexplicably "respectable" Colin Powell.

In fact, the record indicates Manning would be far better off today - possibly on the lecture circuit rather than in solitary confinement - if he'd killed those men in Baghdad himself.

Hyperbole? Consider what happened to the U.S. soldiers who, over a period of hours - not minutes - went house to house in the Iraqi town of Haditha and executed 24 men, women and children in retaliation for a roadside bombing.

"I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head," said one of the two surviving eyewitnesses to the massacre, nine-year-old Eman Waleed. "Then they killed my granny." Almost five years later, not one of the men involved in the incident is behind bars. And despite an Army investigation revealing that statements made by the chain of command "suggest that Iraqi civilian lives are not as important as U.S. lives," with the murder of brown-skinned innocents considered "just the cost of doing business," none of their superiors are behind bars either.

Now consider the treatment of Bradley Manning. On March 1, the military charged Manning with 22 additional offenses - on top of the original charges of improperly leaking classified information, disobeying an order and general misconduct. One of the new charges, "aiding the enemy," is punishable by death. That means Manning faces the prospect of being executed or spending his life in prison for exposing the ugly truth about the U.S. empire.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration has decided to make Manning's pre-trial existence as torturous as possible, holding him in solitary confinement 23 hours a day since his arrest 10 months ago - treatment that the group Psychologists for Social Responsibility notes is, "at the very least, a form of cruel, unusual and inhumane treatment in violation of U.S. law."


Obama is a criminal, and he belongs in a prison in Geneva for human rights violations.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 05:53 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

wandeljw wrote:
The judge's conclusion is restricted to information sought in a government investigation. "Nothing is private" sounds more like the motto of Wikileaks.



what it is, is real life NOW


Judge Theresa Buchanan wrote:
The Twitter Order does not seek to control or direct the content of petitioners’ speech or association. Rather, it is a routine compelled disclosure of non-content information which petitioners voluntarily provided to Twitter pursuant to Twitter’s Privacy Policy. Additionally, the Court’s §2703(d) analysis assured that the Twitter Order is reasonable in scope, and the government has a legitimate interest in the disclosures sought.



and the public has a legitimate interest in what their governments are doing


tit for tat



This isn't going to stop here.



If any government employee/politician thinks things are going to go backward in terms of information sharing , they're truly burying their heads in the sand.


Sorry, ehBeth, I didn't intend to stir you up.

Do you believe in "inevitable forces of history"?
High Seas
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 05:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Obama is a criminal, and he belongs in a prison in Geneva for human rights violations.

Why Geneva?! Why should Swiss taxpayers get stuck with his room and board indefinitely??! Switzerland is under no obligation whatsoever to take him in - he and his detestable retinue aren't welcome there; send him to the Norwegians, who wasted on him the only Nobel prize they award. For "peace"......
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 06:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Wow ci!! Is all that true?
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High Seas
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 06:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:

"Well, it's their fault for bringing kids into a battle," a not-terribly-remorseful U.S. pilot can be heard remarking...


That criticism doesn't make sense! The pilot is right. Pilots should now be terribly remorseful (sic) for not playing nannies from 35,000 ft? What next?!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 06:39 pm
@High Seas,
HS, I see your point, and agree with your suggestion. Norway sounds like an excellent choice.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 06:43 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Sorry, ehBeth, I didn't intend to stir you up.


stirred up?

Nope.

Bemused perhaps.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 07:57 pm
@ehBeth,
.....still wondering whether you believe inevitable forces of history are at work.
 

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