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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 01:14 pm
@JTT,
The addiction to oil. I hardly think that's obfuscation when the words were used in a State of the Union speech.

Securing the liberties of US citizens addicted to oil might very well involve invading foreign countries.

I'm sorry to say that if you participate in the addiction to oil you are implicated in whatever is required to maintain supplies. The invasion of foreign countries has been, according to those you elect and the highly paid members of the vast bureaucracies they control, a necessary condition. It is not a causeless cause.

I think, despite my respect for your position and the risks involved, that you address an effect and not the cause. Which is getting elected by promising voters more of the mud-honey. No tears, sweat and blood for Americans. Or at least "not just yet" as St Augustine famously said.

Doesn't "it's the economy stupid" imply economic orgasm.

wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 03:05 pm
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:
When last heard from Adrian Lamo was in a mental hospital where he had been involuntarily committed - and not for the first time.


Lamo was involuntarily hospitalized for 72 hours in May 2010 and was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. I have not heard of any hospitalizations for Lamo since then.
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 03:41 pm
@wandeljw,
Did you also obtain a copy of the mental hospital's conditions for Lamo's release? Medical records are supposed to be confidential but this particular document - not, to my knowledge, covered by the FOIA - has been plastered up and down the internet by appalled hackers, Lamo's former "colleagues".

One of the conditions was that he's being released to his parents, who made themselves legally liable for his behavior, online and off; another was house arrest for 2 months, enforced by GPS; yet another concerned regular visits to a psychiatrist, to be certified in each instance by said doctor; and so on.

You're on extremely thin ice if you choose to ignore facts - undeniable facts, not rumors - that may link his hospitalization etc to his former alleged homosexual lover, Bradley Manning. What does any of this have to do with Assange, not involved in either homosexual affairs or with WIRED magazine?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 04:08 pm
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:

Did you also obtain a copy of the mental hospital's conditions for Lamo's release? Medical records are supposed to be confidential but this particular document - not, to my knowledge, covered by the FOIA - has been plastered up and down the internet by appalled hackers, Lamo's former "colleagues".

One of the conditions was that he's being released to his parents, who made themselves legally liable for his behavior, online and off; another was house arrest for 2 months, enforced by GPS; yet another concerned regular visits to a psychiatrist, to be certified in each instance by said doctor; and so on.

You're on extremely thin ice if you choose to ignore facts - undeniable facts, not rumors - that may link his hospitalization etc to his former alleged homosexual lover, Bradley Manning. What does any of this have to do with Assange, not involved in either homosexual affairs or with WIRED magazine?


I still do not see where Lamo has been hospitalized since May 2010.

I have not put myself on thin ice. It seems that you are the one that is making strange allegations.
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 04:13 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

High Seas wrote:
When last heard from Adrian Lamo was in a mental hospital where he had been involuntarily committed - and not for the first time.


Lamo was involuntarily hospitalized for 72 hours in May 2010 and was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. I have not heard of any hospitalizations for Lamo since then.

It is you, not I, who comes up with allegations. See what you yourself quoted, right here, and please read it a few times until it sinks in. Repeating it doesn't seem worth it - look up his appearances on NBC, for starters, and see if he has been heard from concerning Assange - subject of the present thread.

Now if you would get to Assange, and the alleged WikiLeaks data farm "pictured" in the WIRED magazine issue I posted, I would appreciate it.
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 04:44 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:


I still do not see where Lamo has been hospitalized since May 2010.

And do you see where anybody said that he was?! No? Do you now finally see where you erred? Smile
NB bold added.
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.....In June, Uber said he learned from Lamo’s father that the young researcher had identified Manning as the video’s source, and pressured him to meet with federal agencies to name Manning as Wikileaks’ whistleblower. He then arranged a meeting with employees of “three letter” agencies and Lamo........“I’m the one who called the U.S. government,” Uber said. “All the people who say that Adrian is a narc, he did a patriotic thing. He sees all kinds of hacks, and he was seriously worried about people dying.”

Uber says that Lamo later called him from the meeting, regretting his decision to inform on Manning. “I’m in a meeting with five guys and I don’t want to do this,” Uber says Lamo told him at the time. Uber says he responded, “You don’t have any choice, you’ve got to do this.”

“I said, ‘They’re not going to throw you in jail,’” Uber said. “‘Give them everything you have.’”
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http://blogs.forbes.com/firewall/2010/08/01/stealthy-government-contractor-monitors-u-s-internet-providers-says-it-employed-wikileaks-informant/
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 05:08 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Question: Why don't the US authorities just take Manning to court & actually try him for stealing for stealing classified US documents?
Why lock him up and treat him in this way?

The conversation with Wandel must have given you at least an indication of the most probable answer to your question: if the only information that can be presented at court against Manning is what was obtained from a psychiatric patient threatened with 15 years in prison unless he talks, it will be thrown out by the judge as tainted. And/or obtained by duress - Wandel will provide the precise wording. That doesn't mean no additional information is already in the hands of prosecutors, or may be discovered in future; but it does mean that unless and until that happens Manning stays in the brig. That's why the mad rush to get Assange - he may be able to provide information against Manning not tainted by duress. Assuming US prosecutors get to question him .....Smile
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 05:31 pm
@High Seas,

High Seas wrote:

wandeljw wrote:

High Seas wrote:
When last heard from Adrian Lamo was in a mental hospital where he had been involuntarily committed - and not for the first time.


Lamo was involuntarily hospitalized for 72 hours in May 2010 and was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. I have not heard of any hospitalizations for Lamo since then.

It is you, not I, who comes up with allegations. See what you yourself quoted, right here, and please read it a few times until it sinks in. Repeating it doesn't seem worth it - look up his appearances on NBC, for starters, and see if he has been heard from concerning Assange - subject of the present thread.

Now if you would get to Assange, and the alleged WikiLeaks data farm "pictured" in the WIRED magazine issue I posted, I would appreciate it.


Your quote begins "when last heard from."

Lamo has been heard from many times since May 2010.

The subject of this thread is Wikileaks.

Assange, Manning, Lamo and others are all part of the Wikileaks saga.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 07:44 pm
@msolga,
Does anyone have an new information about developments in this court case?
I've searched & haven't been able to find any further reports.

Quote:
The US government's legal hunt for Julian Assange will begin in a magistrates court in Virginia today when its Attorney General seeks a disclosure order on Twitter to obtain the names, dates and locations of anyone using its services to communicate with WikiLeaks.


http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/us-targets-twitter-in-bid-to-trap-assange-20110215-1atwl.html
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 08:58 pm
@msolga,
The judge at the district court, Theresa Buchanan, has not issued her decision yet.

However, recently Justice Breyer of the U.S. Supreme Court was asked for his opinion on Wikileaks by a high school student in Florida:
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Asked about WikiLeaks, Breyer gives away little
(Associated Press, February 17, 2011)

Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer tantalized a Florida audience with his comments yesterday about the case of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, but gave away little about his legal stance.

Appearing at a joint gathering of the Forum Club of the Palm Beaches and the Palm Beach County Bar Association, Breyer took a question from a high school student who asked about the legality of whistleblowing as seen on WikiLeaks.

"Usually what's at stake is the First Amendment. The First Amendment protects expression, it doesn't protect all expression," Breyer said. "The cases are all over the place."

The justice said disclosing the specifics of a secret weapon would not be permissible, just as shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater isn't. But he gave no inkling to his stance on Assange's publishing of a massive cache of confidential U.S. military and diplomatic documents and whether that was legal.

"The best thing I can say is, 'It depends,'" Breyer said. "What a terrible answer."

While the leaks have not come up in court, Assange is wanted for questioning in Sweden on sex-crimes allegations. Some of his supporters have suggested that case arose as part of a U.S.-led plot to prosecute him or blacken his reputation in retaliation for his leaks.

On other subjects, Breyer spoke briefly about the 2000 presidential recount.

The justice, who was appointed to the high court by President Bill Clinton, said the Bush v. Gore ruling "was totally wrong" and that the case should have never been heard. He drew wide applause and laughter for his position.

"I did what I normally do when I am in dissent: I try to reveal in a very calm, clear argument that the other side is totally out to lunch," he said.

And employing some more humor, Breyer gave a bit of advice to President Barack Obama, should he have the opportunity to pick a third member of the high court.

"Any president who thinks he's going to appoint a judge who will always decide the way the president thinks really should have his head examined," he said.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:40 pm
@wandeljw,
It's refreshing to see an intelligent, thinking USSC justice. There are some major wackos there but hey, it's the USA.

Of course Bush v Gore should never have been heard. It was a travesty. But for a banana republic like the US, we shouldn't expect too much.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:40 pm
@wandeljw,
Thank you, wandeljw.
So the court has finished it's hearing & the verdict is now being considered?
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 09:44 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
The addiction to oil. I hardly think that's obfuscation when the words were used in a State of the Union speech.

Securing the liberties of US citizens addicted to oil might very well involve invading foreign countries.


Thank you for clearing that up, Spendi. I don't have a direct link to the meanderings of your mind, you know.

Quote:
I'm sorry to say that if you participate in the addiction to oil you are implicated in whatever is required to maintain supplies. The invasion of foreign countries has been, according to those you elect and the highly paid members of the vast bureaucracies they control, a necessary condition. It is not a causeless cause.


Everyone participates in the use of oil, Spendi, even you. I surmise that you eat; that requires the use of fossil fuels.

The US addiction to oil is truly obscene. The amount that the US military consumes is even more obscene.

Quote:
No tears, sweat and blood for Americans.


True that, but lots of tears, sweat and blood for the millions of innocents around the globe.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2011 08:52 am
The Guardian's website has the full ruling on the extradition of Assange:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/interactive/2011/feb/24/julian-assange-extradition-judgment
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2011 09:25 am
@wandeljw,
No extradition and fee chewing by the legal profession comes to an end. What other verdict could any sensible person expect. The judges and the QCs and the solicitors to the rich are all members of the same clubs in St. James's and will probably hunt, golf, shoot and fish together and hang out in the same pubs. Mr Assange being a mere football which can be kicked anywhere once some promiscuous and indignant career ladies can be condescended to despite them having jumped into bed with a complete stranger. What an idiot Assange is. He deserves all he gets. I have not one iota of sympathy for him.
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2011 09:27 am
@spendius,
Huh? The fee chewing has only just begun.

Quote:
Outside the court Assange's lawyer, Mark Stephens, said the ruling had not come as a surprise and reaffirmed the Assange team's concerns that adhering to the European arrest warrant (EAW) amounted to "tick box justice".

"We are still hopeful that the matter can be resolved in this country," he said. "We remain optimistic of our chances on appeal." Source
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2011 09:51 am
@JPB,
Yeah I know--the European legalists will be seeking to kick a few field goals from close range while the American ones can only lick their lips in anticipation.

What a joke. All this on a shag. Bernard Shaw was acutely prescient when he said that once women got the vote we would all end up talking about their ovaries all day long. It isn't that long since women were not allowed to give evidence in a court at all.

If Libya was not happening it would be spashed on the front pages and "See inside pages 4,5,6 and 7" with a rehash of the lady being pressed down whilst naked, or possibly just in sussies (translation--garter belt), getting her arse shagged off like only Australian men can do. (Or so I heard). Oops--I nearly forgot the unused condom. I must be tired.

If women are the same the world over, as Rider Haggard said, and he knew a thing or two about these things, then Shielas are the same the world over too.

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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2011 09:55 am
I reckon that calling me a misogynist is the equivalent of walking blindfold into a minefield where the explosions are in slow motion and the only rehab available is leaning on the bar moping.

Have I seen some of that or what??
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2011 02:51 pm
Editors from the five major news organizations that published material from Wikileaks participated in a public debate earlier this week.

This video provides English and Spanish translations of the debate:

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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2011 02:44 pm
I heard the other night that one of our leading soaps was running a rape allegation storyline. Again. So tonight I checked it out just to see how good a small-town actress we know hasn't been raped can pretend she has and how many people in different situations can take advantage of the circumstances on their own account.

It's early days of course. We have only seen her go into the police station so far. She is a sixteen stoner with a passing resemblence to a warthog, married to a moron with a penchant for poaching, completely stupid and the mother of a right bunch of misfits. The bloke is claiming she was enthusiastic at the time.

I got going through what she had to gain. It's incredible. She can assuage her guilt. She can be the centre of attention which she isn't used to. She can do gut-wrenching sobbing sequences and practice them for the judge and jury if it comes to that. She can pose as ravishingly enchanting enough to have a bloke risk 15 years. Maybe she thinks there money in it somewhere. They are flat skint permanently. She isn't the sort of lady one would expect to find in the social circles Assange would mix in on arriving in Sweden. She can do real tears.

The event (alleged) took place in a toffee-packing plant where the parties were thrown together to do overtime and were alone. (So far).

The bloke has nothing going for him. The actor has been deliberately chosen to look like one of those mug-shots they show us of convicted rapists.

Assange should take a copy of the relevant sections to Sweden if the Appeals Court is generous enough to his legal friends and extradites him. So persuasive is she , and we know she's acting don't forget, that he might have to interrupt the playing every few minutes to remind the court it isn't real.

The scriptwriters are merely filling up the space between the ads for various domestic products and they obviously have no new ideas so are doing a 50th re-run of the same old tripe because they know how enthralling it is to that section of the population which buys domestic products no matter how often it is done.

Mind you don't burn your thumbs girls.


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