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Did religions create science to further their Gods?

 
 
Reply Fri 26 Nov, 2010 03:12 pm
Did religions create science to further their Gods?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrI1FsH4UH8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbW_xKRBt_M&feature=related

After a bit of research on how religions began and knowing that what were relatively small temples in the beginning, almost what we would call house churches today, I wondered how and why they became popular or won converts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2h4KueeElo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMXHL2cRNzw&feature=related

Add these prophets and God’s to the Gnostic mystery schools and you get an idea of all the competition. Was it just between magicians and scientists with a bit of theology thrown in?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnvEHObMMH4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_meC_o_IDs&feature=related

Science would have been the tool to fool people into thinking that magic was being done. Everything from fire walking to levitation and mysteriously crying and moving statues.

God then would have been man made even as Gnostics of various religions were pushing for a God within as opposed to the God without pushed by the Churches who were more interested in locking in their converts to their thinking and that their hierarchy were required as the pathway to God.
Gnostics on the other hand said that all had a direct path to God and that Churches and priests were not necessary. Could they have been the true shaman of that day?

Gnostics believed more as Joseph Campbell did and pushed for personal growth an apotheosis by confronting God and mastering of ones self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

Add that to this. Wait till minute 5 + for the good stuff on myths and ignore the fear mongering of the LHC. It just happens that I could not find this work on it’s own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2StRb3F0j6k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2Y6tJGnww

These show just how religions began and how they differed from the religious beliefs we hold today.

It was all myths from mostly plagiarized Egyptian sources.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84m5k_2007doc-zone-pagan-christ-1-of-3_news


If I am lucky, after viewing all of this information, you will conclude as I do that---

Religions, other than the Gnostic based ones are pure myth.

That religions may have been the first to push science forward to help perpetuate it’s myths, through magic.

That the state likely took over this science to further it’s war efforts.

That Gnosticism, defined as basically the questioning of all beliefs, can lead to apotheosis or a rapprochement to the Godhead via knowledge and that this is the only way to truly have that personal relationship to God that all religionists seek.
It just happens to not be the mythical Bible God.

What are your thoughts?

Regards
DL
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Reply Fri 26 Nov, 2010 03:22 pm
@Greatest I am,
The kinds of interactions that might arise between science and religion have been classified using the following typology:

1.Conflict, stating the disciplines contradict and are incompatible with each other.
For example, John William Draper and Andrew Dickson White's conflict thesis.

2.Independence treating each as quite separate realms of enquiry.
For example, Stephen Jay Gould's Non-Overlapping Magisteria (NOMA).

3.Dialogue suggesting that each field has things to say to each other about phenomena in which their interests overlap.
For example, William G. Pollard's studies in Physicist and Christian: A dialogue between the communities.

4.Integration aiming to unify both fields into a single discourse.
For example, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin's Omega Point and Ian Barbour's sympathy towards process philosophy/process theology.

This typology is similar to ones found in Ian Barbour and John Haught.

More typologies that categorize this relationship can be found among the works of other science and religion scholars such as Arthur Peacocke.
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