Eric Holder's sham trial

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“By prosecuting Ahmed Ghailani in federal court,” Attorney General Eric Holder said in a May 21, 2009, statement, “we will ensure that he finally answers for his alleged role in the bombing of our embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.” “This administration,” Holder continued, “is committed to keeping the American people safe and upholding the rule of law, and by closing Guantánamo and bringing terrorists housed there to justice we will make our nation stronger and safer.”

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2630364/posts?page=14

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Obama-Holder managed to find the one venue that could lose a case like this. If this trial was a test of Obama's vision of bringing all the Gitmo terrorists to America for trial and letting juries fight the War on Terror -- Epic Fail...

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Many links:

"Attorney General Holder's Advisers Have Conflicts on Detainee Cases"
http://themunz.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-media-journal-attorney-general.html

"Eric Holder's Law Firm Has a history of representing Terrorists"
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/23/pay-attention-to-eric-holders-law-firm-and-gitmo-detainees/

"Corruptocrat AG Eric Holder's conflicted DOJ"
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/20/corruptocrat-ag-eric-holders-conflicted-doj/

The Al-Qaeda Bar (Big Law Firms Line Up to Represent Terrorists)
"Some of the nation's wealthiest and most powerful law firms have donated hundreds of millions of dollars in free legal services to terror suspects at the Guantanamo Bay prison. Their work, bolstered by left-wing activists groups, has helped to free, or force the transfer, of hundreds of al Qaeda suspects to third countries. Some have gone back to terrorism and the job of trying to kill Americans.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2394460/posts

The work of big American law firms on behalf of al Qaeda is drawing new attention since Attorney General Eric Holder decided this month that Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who orchestrated the murder of over 3,000 9-11, is coming to New York City for trial. Holder was a partner at Covington & Burling, which in 2005 gave one its attorneys an award for aiding 17 Yemeni suspects at Guantanamo."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2394460/posts

A list of 10 of the largest American legal firms representing Guantanamo terror detainees:
Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw
Blank Rome
Manatt, Phelps & Phillips
Shearman & Sterling
Allen & Overy
Convington & Burling
Dorsey & Whitney
Holland & Hart
Hunton & Williams
Paul, Weiss"

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@gungasnake,

i prefer his brother Noddy's glam style

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_01/NoddyHoldMOS1111_228x437.jpg

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@gungasnake,

Try to understand what the donation of hundreds of millions of free legal services is.... It is like when the police bust some one with an ounce of pot and say it has a street value of 500 dollars... Where those people come up with their "objective" valuations is out of their asses... Legal services cost what the markets will bear, and the true cost of law is a price we pay across the board with too much law, too many attornies, too many prisons and cops and judges, and too many lawyers on every side pulling the strings of government... The price of the legal representation is exactly what was charged, and what was paid, which no doubt, was next to nothing...

You should be careful in presenting an argument, that you give only facts instead of passing on spin... Anyone used at all to critical thinking can see through that horse **** at a glance, and you may add a few dim wits to your cause, but no one of any merit...

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@djjd62,

How would anyone ever get away with dressing like that without having a guitar in hand???

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@gungasnake,

You're a traitor, gunga. You are attacking the only thing that stops the government from throwing citizens in jail without cause. Just because of your political ideology you want to destroy this country. I hope you die in the attempt.

btw you're wrong again on the trial. A military trial would have resulted in a lower sentence for the crime convicted. It seems for a traitor like you, you want terrorists to spend less jail time for their crimes! Which puts you on their side, and against the side of America. Why do you hate your country?

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@kuvasz,

kuvasz wrote:

You're a traitor, gunga. You are attacking the only thing that stops the government from throwing citizens in jail without cause. Just because of your political ideology you want to destroy this country. I hope you die in the attempt.

btw you're wrong again on the trial. A military trial would have resulted in a lower sentence for the crime convicted. It seems for a traitor like you, you want terrorists to spend less jail time for their crimes! Which puts you on their side, and against the side of America. Why do you hate your country?

Gungs country is entirely peopled by people like him- gungclones... And all of us are only servile future rugshakers, and bed warmers and sweepers...

When General Macarthur wanted military tribunals for the Japanese war crimes, only Justice Jackson who had helped to try the Germans at Neuremburg objected... It was pretty much a bust anyway... The Indians would not cooperate, and for political reasons members of the Royal family were not tried... Macarthur did get the two generals who had beat him soundly, hung... It was a small victory considering the damage those people did... Such was the price of turning them into stalwart foes of Communism; that, and saddling them with the age old Feudalism that has not been challenged to this day.

We must consider whether the Military really wanted the job, as if they really want to do something for a living, or be politicized... They have allowed themselves to be indoctrinated by evangelicals, but on the flip side, they all know the necessity of making a deal with the people in the field opposing them -if they will survive... For them to be a party to trials and possible executions endangers them in their jobs, and benefits them not at all...

Islam is a religion of honor, and honor is a necessity for survival... Anyone who fights for his people, for his religion, for his way of life, and surrenders does so with the expectation of honorable treatment... The object is to turn that honor to our advantage, to let them know we are honorable too in our dealings... To torture them, and use tortured testimony to convict them and execute them is a dishonorable act which makes politicians feel safe and secure, but injures and endangers people in the field... Not all Americans can rest behind a shield of security... Some people have to stand guard, and it is really treason to advocate from a position of safety a course that endangers those without choice but to hang fire...

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@gungasnake,

Um, the guy was found guilty and is facing 20 to life in prison. What about that screams 'failure?' Nothing at all.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Holder said the guy wasn't walking regardless of the verdict but the principle is wrong.`The normal way of dealing with sabateurs and terrorists never changed between Caesar's time and a very recent time and FDR himself never brooked any exception to that sort of rule. Nazi German sabateurs caught in this country were squeezed for info and then killed, simple as that.

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

Holder said the guy wasn't walking regardless of the verdict but the principle is wrong.`The normal way of dealing with sabateurs and terrorists never changed between Caesar's time and a very recent time and FDR himself never brooked any exception to that sort of rule. Nazi German sabateurs caught in this country were squeezed for info and then killed, simple as that.

But we don't live in the past. We live in the present. Here in the present we don't torture people and then kill them when we are done with them, because our legitimacy around the world isn't based on military or economic might; it's based on our foundational principles. Which clearly state that it is perfectly wrong to torture and kill people, even if they are very bad people.

The trials aren't for the terrorists, they are for US. Will we stick to what we say is true, to the standard that we constantly expect other countries to live up to - when it's our asses on the line? Or do we fold at the first sign of adversity?

Guys like you advocate that we fold - that we abandon the moral high ground - because you are essentially weak inside. You let your actions be governed not by principle but instead by fear. Reactionary. In the global chess game, going down such a path is as good as conceding.

Cycloptichorn

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

Nazi German sabateurs caught in this country were squeezed for info and then killed, simple as that.

Well, that and the military trial and the appeal all the way to the supreme court. But yeah, apart from all that, we just killed them.

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@Cycloptichorn,

It may not be screaming failure, but if, as many believe, the Obama Administration will now be switching it's policy to indefinite detention (probably in Gitmo) it will whisper it quite loudly.

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@joefromchicago,

From your own link:

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This decision states:

“ …the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are lawful and unlawful combatants. Lawful combatants are subject to capture and detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals.

Put me in charge of those prison systems for slammite terrorists, and the guy in charge of any particular one of them would be a hog farmer, and the inmates would be eating from the same trough as the other pigs.

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

Put me in charge of those prison systems for slammite terrorists, and the guy in charge of any particular one of them would be a hog farmer, and the inmates would be eating from the same trough as the other pigs.

You? In charge of a prison system? I can't imagine you in charge of a two-car funeral.

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

From your own link:

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This decision states:

“ …the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are lawful and unlawful combatants. Lawful combatants are subject to capture and detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals.

Put me in charge of those prison systems for slammite terrorists, and the guy in charge of any particular one of them would be a hog farmer, and the inmates would be eating from the same trough as the other pigs.

Look at all of the nonsense about LAW; by which we mean Western LAW, which we do not even follow ourselves... What we did in Iraq and Afghanistan was not legal... That is ths sort of thing that got Nazis hung...

But it is not their law we are enforcing... And we should consider what a success it has not been in the West before trying to get the rest of the world to fear, and accept Western Law, which they will not...

Our laws have the highest per capita population of any country since soviet Russia folded, at a fantastic cost to all of us, with no want of crime to justify even more prisons and police... At every level the respect for law is non existent, and in many respects the country is ruled by a class of white collar criminal who bleed the entire country with interest and fashion the laws of finance to support their crime... Not one part of the wealth built up as capital would have been possible if we had just laws supporting just dealings and we should remember it is just financial practices that we attack in the Muslims who have never built up the capital necessary to support aggression, or a standing army because they have no interest.... Our system of laws Grew out of practices very like theirs that was replaced first by Roman Law under Catholic influence, and when that forbid outrageous profit and usary it was put aside...

The powerful bend law to suit themselves, and our laws do not give us justice, and for us to try to shove our laws, as we do, down their throats with the barrel of a gun they will resist... WE are in the wrong... We would not be there except out of injustice, and then we want to punish them for resisting... Just ask what ass they are going to pull a standing army out of??? Their society and resources cannot support it... Nor could their society support law and plice as we have them...We cannot afford our military, which should in any event be used for defense, and would be if we were a democracy..

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Forgot to mention the Crusader crosses and the stereo blaring "Onwards Christian Soldiers" 24/7/365, didn't I....

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

Forgot to mention the Crusader crosses and the stereo blaring "Onwards Christian Soldiers" 24/7/365, didn't I....

How would you feel if you had to defend your religion and way of life and if captured by the enemy were prosecuted for not wearing a diamond encrusted butt plug??? A military is beyond them, and an unnecessary expense to us; but they are zeolots; so hang a few with tortured evidence to make us feel better, though it will certainly not help the situation...

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@Fido,

Did I say anything about hanging anybody??

All I'm talking about is sitting around in a jail cell with a bunch of pigs and eating and sleeping on the floor with the pigs, and having pictures of all that sent to your family and friends so they'll know how you're making out.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSQy6VGJwHRwGMbHgIrSlJVFCN27PaMpXVqN8kmuYurAkGQ8N2Hsw

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBQ4PWsZIXnRnwuBb31W_5UgC3e2Sus-o1KhJb-s9djCWwNK1Qyw

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/nov/26/forcing-holder-out/

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The calls have begun for Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.'s resignation. Potential Republican presidential candidates Newt Gingrich and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty both took that position last weekend in response to last week's embarrassing result in the trial of Guantanamo terrorist detainee Ahmed Khalfan Ghailiani. Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Pawlenty won't be the only prominent politicos reaching the conclusion that Mr. Holder is unfit for the office he holds.....

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

Did I say anything about hanging anybody??

All I'm talking about is sitting around in a jail cell with a bunch of pigs and eating and sleeping on the floor with the pigs, and having pictures of all that sent to your family and friends so they'll know how you're making out.

But first you are going to hang your name and address on the act so they do not think we are all the sort of assholes who would do such a thing; right???

We have had bastards in the FBI and CIA and their like, acting in our names, and really doing some **** and crimes and hiding behind us, because they think we are behind it when, if we knew what they do, supposedly for us, many of us would be appalled... We have been attacking Islam for years, but the people who do the hurt go wee wee wee all the way home, and think those people cannot figure out who is hurting them... So; given a chance, they take it out on us, and hate us because they think what they are told is true, that we are a democracy, and that our choices find their way into the actions of government...

What do we say: That the government does what it wants, and that the democracy that we do have does nothing, because it can do nothing to stop it... We never have the chance to speak with a single voice... We can never get our government to accept our advice and consent... We are targets to Islam, and victims of our own government... Like you Gung... You have no idea, and never will because the government can keep secrets it wants, and lets secrets it care nothing for go...

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/nov/26/forcing-holder-out/

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The calls have begun for Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.'s resignation. Potential Republican presidential candidates Newt Gingrich and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty both took that position last weekend in response to last week's embarrassing result in the trial of Guantanamo terrorist detainee Ahmed Khalfan Ghailiani. Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Pawlenty won't be the only prominent politicos reaching the conclusion that Mr. Holder is unfit for the office he holds.....

That is your republicans for you: If they cannot convict you with a fair trial, then they want to convict you with no trial... So the lay some nonsense charges on Holder, and drive him from office... They are incapable of change...

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