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The Prose of Making Sense

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 11:29 am
@GoshisDead,
Yeah its true...multi market then...were´s the conflict ? I love Pizza diversity !
Arjuna for instance does it brilliantly...
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 11:33 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
I enjoy it as well.
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mickalos
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 12:07 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy wrote:

GoshisDead wrote:

I know Ken we speak different languages, figuratively of course.


But I speak English. Literally. And you? Well whatever is spoken in English (so-called) "criticism" classes. "Opacity" maybe.

Perhaps you have what Wittgenstein called meaning-blindness Laughing

That poetry is even possible (at least certain forms of poetry), I would think, shows that words can make you feel things. I wouldn't say that this was part of the meaning of a word, just a characteristic psychological accompaniment, but it exists. Wittgenstein called it experiencing the meaning of a word. Interesting phenomenon.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 12:23 pm
@mickalos,
Who would have guessed that after all ken is a Solipsist ?
...I mean, mainly he speaks to himself and we just go along...it takes a special kind of English !
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GoshisDead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 12:23 pm
@mickalos,
mickalos wrote:

kennethamy wrote:

GoshisDead wrote:

I know Ken we speak different languages, figuratively of course.


But I speak English. Literally. And you? Well whatever is spoken in English (so-called) "criticism" classes. "Opacity" maybe.

Perhaps you have what Wittgenstein called meaning-blindness Laughing

That poetry is even possible (at least certain forms of poetry), I would think, shows that words can make you feel things. I wouldn't say that this was part of the meaning of a word, just a characteristic psychological accompaniment, but it exists. Wittgenstein called it experiencing the meaning of a word. Interesting phenomenon.


This is the essence of Frost's phrase. Certain words placed certainly evoke feelings. My opinion about the way people post in the forum is a rhetorical one where certain resultant feelings evoke trust.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 12:32 pm
@GoshisDead,
What other purpose communication might have had if not to evoke feelings ?
Knowledge ? but we don´t know s##t...we just happen to like to think we do.
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 12:38 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
There is always the old standby, to process information and reference surroundings
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 01:01 pm
@mickalos,
mickalos wrote:

kennethamy wrote:

GoshisDead wrote:

I know Ken we speak different languages, figuratively of course.


But I speak English. Literally. And you? Well whatever is spoken in English (so-called) "criticism" classes. "Opacity" maybe.

Perhaps you have what Wittgenstein called meaning-blindness Laughing

That poetry is even possible (at least certain forms of poetry), I would think, shows that words can make you feel things. I wouldn't say that this was part of the meaning of a word, just a characteristic psychological accompaniment, but it exists. Wittgenstein called it experiencing the meaning of a word. Interesting phenomenon.


That words evoke (and invoke) feelings or emotions is a platitude of elementary courses in the philosophy of language. There is descriptive meaning, and there is emotive meaning. So what's new? It is inability to distinguish between the two that evokes (and invokes) utter confusion. I would hope that when we do philosophy, we stick to descriptive meaning, at least as much as we are able to.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 01:12 pm
@kennethamy,
You seam like Moses making apart the Sea... Cool
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 01:35 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

. . . like Moses making apart the Sea... Cool


Nice turn of phrase, that.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 02:00 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Hi Merry Andrew !
...It fits does n´t it ?
We all fit in the picture sometimes...
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GoshisDead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 03:31 pm
This peice of post written by one of my fav forum posters (Failures ART) is a great example of the subject of this thread.

Quote:
I still think you're needlessly elevating philosophers to some higher class of thinkers. If I didn't know better, I'd propose this is a conspiracy by the major furniture companies to sell more armchairs.


This is not a simple snarky comment.
Conspiracy+major+companies = imagery of smokey backroom deals

Needless+Philosophers+Armchairs = imagery of pompous self important people wasting time

I still think + I didn't know + I'd Propose = a defenite sense of parallelism in structure, as well as a certain simplified A(opinion assertion) B(fact assertion) A (opinion assertion) brings a certain sense of simplified chiasmus. Also the start of these sentences have an acrostic feel to them.

Needlessly elevating + higher Class = feeling of inequality, guilt, oppression

conspiracy + sell = material gain as reason for inequality

All of these make for a vivid rhetorical argument with elements of poetics that assert that it is farsical for a philosopher to assume that his/her thought process is better than another process. It in fact intimates that the philosophical thought process is abnormal and may be suspect as compaired to others through its metaphorical demonization.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 03:37 pm
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead wrote:

There are several posters who use poetic language sentence structure, and paragraph/stanza structure that accompany strikingly efficient and cogent arguments.

among these
Khetil
Razzleg
Jeeprs
Fresco
Arjuna

We may not expect to agree with these posters all the time but we expect them to have rational arguments most of the time.


Iambic pentameter, doubtless. But some of it doesn't rhyme. Can't have everything, I suppose.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 03:39 pm
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead wrote:

You never fail to disspoint


And you, to misspell. You can be disappointed only if you have unrealistic expectations. I should be flattered, I suppose, but when I think about what your expectations are, I am not.
kennethamy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 03:40 pm
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead wrote:

We = me and the voices in my head


And Joan of Arc too? Who, as you know, was Noah's sister.
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GoshisDead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 03:41 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy wrote:

GoshisDead wrote:

You never fail to disspoint


And you, to misspell. You can be disappointed only if you have unrealistic expectations. I should be flattered, I suppose, but when I think about what your expectations are, I am not.

Indeed civility is unrealistic, it seems.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 08:38 am
I'd love to see more examples..
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 10:20 am
@Ceili,
I was sort of hoping that people with an interest in the topic would post their own examples. I will however post them when I run across them.
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 11:23 am
From TWNF
Quote:
Determinists claim that everything that happens, including thinking, has a cause. According to this view, I am compelled to do whatever I do, such as writing this post, by my conditioning (beliefs, preferences, biases, etc.) and inherited instinctual drives (safety, belonging, independence, etc.).


TWNF has the natural ability for syllable cadence. This post is written but seems meant to be read aloud.

In the first sentence, once the secondary clause is breeched there is a syllable countdown that correlates as a topical countdown. the clause goes from least important to most important information in a countdown of two syllables less per phrase.

Determanists claim (set up) That everything that happens (7 syllables) Including thinking (5 syllables) has a cause (3 syllables and the topical focus of the sentence)

Also of note here is that the brackets which are structurally meant as superfluous examples of the main senstences topically hold the substance of the argument. and they are both 13 syllables long and ending in the same syllable creating symetry in the topical argument of sentence. So when spoken they would be spoken seperately from the sentence with a breath and a pause before each one.

(beliefs, preferences, biases, etc.) (safety, belonging, independence, etc.).
kennethamy
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 03:09 am
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead wrote:

From TWNF
Quote:
Determinists claim that everything that happens, including thinking, has a cause. According to this view, I am compelled to do whatever I do, such as writing this post, by my conditioning (beliefs, preferences, biases, etc.) and inherited instinctual drives (safety, belonging, independence, etc.).


TWNF has the natural ability for syllable cadence. This post is written but seems meant to be read aloud.

In the first sentence, once the secondary clause is breeched there is a syllable countdown that correlates as a topical countdown. the clause goes from least important to most important information in a countdown of two syllables less per phrase.

Determanists claim (set up) That everything that happens (7 syllables) Including thinking (5 syllables) has a cause (3 syllables and the topical focus of the sentence)

Also of note here is that the brackets which are structurally meant as superfluous examples of the main senstences topically hold the substance of the argument. and they are both 13 syllables long and ending in the same syllable creating symetry in the topical argument of sentence. So when spoken they would be spoken seperately from the sentence with a breath and a pause before each one.

(beliefs, preferences, biases, etc.) (safety, belonging, independence, etc.).



Pure poetry. No question about it. It ranks up there with Keat's odes.
 

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