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Fatwa is a religious opinion and can be misused.

 
 
Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 12:55 pm
Lately, the fatwa was used as a bounty such as theSalman Rushdie Affairs. The British by not reacting to it made British citizens who were muslims second class. The UK should have made public that if the fatwa was meant as a bounty than it is illegal and anyone involved would be arrested.

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A fatwā (Arabic: فتوى‎; plural fatāwā Arabic: فتاوى‎) in the Islamic faith is a religious opinion concerning Islamic law issued by an Islamic scholar. In Sunni Islam any fatwā is non-binding, whereas in Shia Islam it could be considered by an individual as binding, depending on his or her relation to the scholar. The person who issues a fatwā is called, in that respect, a Mufti, i.e. an issuer of fatwa. This is not necessarily a formal position since most Muslims argue that anyone trained in Islamic law may give an opinion (fatwā) on its teachings. If a fatwā does not break new ground, then it is simply called a ruling.[1]

An analogy might be made to the issue of legal opinions from courts in common-law systems. Fatwās generally contain the details of the scholar's reasoning, typically in response to a particular case, and are considered binding precedent by those Muslims who have bound themselves to that scholar, including future Muftis; mere rulings can be compared to memorandum opinions. The primary difference between common-law opinions and fatwās, however, is that fatwās are not universally binding; as the Sharia is not universally consistent and Islam is very non-hierarchical in structure, fatwās do not carry the sort of weight that secular common-law opinions do.

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Following the Salman Rushdie affair, Western media frequently use the term to mean an Islamic death sentence upon someone who is considered an infidel, apostate or a blasphemer.[2] This is indeed one possibility, but is a rare use for a fatwā, and the equation of fatwā with capital punishment is considered offensive by many Muslims.

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A fatwā is not automatically part of Islamic teachings. While the person issuing it may intend to represent the teachings of Islam accurately, this does not mean that that person's interpretation will gain universal acceptance.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatw%C4%81

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A bounty hunter captures fugitives for a monetary reward (bounty). Other names, mainly used in the United States, include bail enforcement agent, fugitive recovery agent, and bail fugitive investigator. Bounty hunting, and bounty hunters, are legal in only two nations: the United States and the Republic of the Philippines.[1] Other countries do not have bounty hunters; they use only standard law enforcement agencies to recover suspects.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_hunter
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contrex
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 02:01 pm
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:
The British by not reacting to it made British citizens who were muslims second class.


I don't see what you mean by this (if anything).
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 02:12 pm
@contrex,
I think the British should have said something in response. My recollection was that Salman Rushdie was left on his own. The British government should have said it is unacceptable if the fatwa was meant to be a bounty and anyone following a foreign fatwa will be arrested on Britsh soil if anyone tries to carry it out. The British muslims now feel they are not protected by British law and subject to Islamic clerics.
Dave Allen
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 02:17 pm
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

I think the British should have said something in response.
The government in the UK at the time defended Rushdie, organised safe houses for him and his family, called the fatwa unacceptable, and severed diplomatic relations with Iran as a result.
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 02:18 pm
@Dave Allen,
Sorry. My memory is bad then. We should stand up to these fatwas.

Would a reverse fatwa i.e. a bounty on the cleric work or would it inflame the situation even more?
Dave Allen
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 02:32 pm
@talk72000,
The cleric in question - Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini - died in 1989. His replacement did not reissue the fatwa. These days Salman Rushdie and other people involved in the publication of the Satanic Verses lead pretty open lives. I don't think anyone's seriously gunning for them anymore.

I think the UK did the right thing in acting in accordance with the letter and spirit of UK law by promising to prosecute anyone carrying out the fatwa on UK soil with murder - I doubt it would have done anything but inflame the situation if they had offered money for the life of the aging Ayatollah of Iran.
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 02:43 pm
@Dave Allen,
Yes, he is dead that ayatollah. But there is the current situation of Islamic radicals. They killed that Dutch guy when he ran for office. I think that fatwas are getting out of hand and the question is how to deal with them. The western nations should stand firm and make arrests and deport those, if necessary, who carry out fatwas.
Dave Allen
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 02:54 pm
@talk72000,
By "Dutch guy when he ran for office" do you mean Theo van Gogh, the film maker who was murdered by a muslim who didn't like his critical film Submission?

I don't think that was the result of a fatwa. It was a privately motivated fanatic who was judged criminally insane.

As for arresting and deporting people who carry out fatwas ... what do you think the countries concerned are doing? They don't just let people murder each other.
rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 03:13 pm
@Dave Allen,
And then theirs Mexico.
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contrex
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 03:51 pm
June 15, 2007: Rushdie receives knighthood for services to literature.
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contrex
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 03:54 pm
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

Sorry. My memory is bad then. We should stand up to these fatwas.

Would a reverse fatwa i.e. a bounty on the cleric work or would it inflame the situation even more?


talk7200, are you some kind of US Tea Party anti-muslim fanatic? Your ignorant style of posting (with "My memory is bad" as the excuse when your falsehoods are exposed) certainly leads me to that conclusion.
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 05:05 pm
@Dave Allen,
I get snippets of European news so I am not up-to-date on European affairs.
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 05:07 pm
@contrex,
I am not up-to-date on European news but I am against all religious fanatics - Bible-thumpers, Jewish and Muslim.
rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 11:59 pm
@talk72000,
I agree. The key word here is fanatics whether religious, political or race.
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Dave Allen
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 05:10 am
@talk72000,
That's fair enough, but if your source says that the UK did nothing to defend Rushdie, that european countries somehow respect fatwas that run counter to their own laws and that Theo van Gogh ran for office - you need to get a better one.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 05:35 am
@talk72000,
It is nothing different that any other western power abuse, just that in west we have more media to abuse the powers, which politician's spin doctors heavily rely on.
talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 07:15 pm
@Dave Allen,
It is just recollection not factual. I forgot all the details except reading about Rushdie hiding. I don't think I even read the original description of the event. I had to read why he was hiding.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 07:21 pm
@HexHammer,
I know, the Protestant portray Islam as a horde of "locusts" invading the land. That passage in the Old Testament was interpreted to mean the spread of Islam. All those passages can be made to mean anything. The Jews even gave up on the Old Testament and now go by the Talmud as they don't like the Christians using the Old testament to interpret Jesus as the Messiah. The more conservative Jews still go by the the Torah, the five books attributed to Moses.
rabel22
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 01:21 am
@talk72000,
All of which is just spoken history that is 10,000 years or more old. Not an actual writen history. The victors write history anyway and make themselves heros of the historical stories.
talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 12:27 pm
@rabel22,
The Bible is funny in that way that anyone can take a text and give it an outrageous interpretation.
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