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Will CNN Bed Bug Infestation Cause MSM to Demand Lifting of DDT Ban?

 
 
Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 06:56 pm
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2010/08/15/will-cnn-bed-bug-infestation-cause-msm-demand-lifting-ddt-ban

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Unfortunately for CNN, the EPA has banned since 1972 the only insecticide really effective in combating bed bugs: DDT. And like good liberals, I am sure that CNN and most of the mainstream media fully supports that ban...until now. Therefore it will be interesting to see how long before CNN and other media outlets whose personnel are affected by the growing bed bug problem in New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and other urban areas plead for at least a temporary lifting of the DDT ban. It will be a case of liberal idealism vs. personal comfort. Should you think this bed bug concern is trivial then check out the posts on this agricultural forum where people are begging to buy DDT despite the ban in the USA:

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2010/08/15/will-cnn-bed-bug-infestation-cause-msm-demand-lifting-ddt-ban#ixzz0wj4CBDVL

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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 07:06 pm
@gungasnake,
Along with the Endangered Species Act, the US DDT ban is cited by scientists as a major factor in the comeback of the bald eagle, the national bird of the United States, from near-extinction in the contiguous US
roger
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 08:16 pm
Yeah maybe, if eagles eat a lot of bedbugs.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 08:25 pm
@Intrepid,
This is a true story. A friend of mine once took a course under none other than Doctor Heinz Meng, America's greatest expert on birds of prey, the first person to ever breed peregrines in captivity and the man who released peregrines into Baltimore to solve the pigeon problems.

My friend asked Meng about DDT point blank in the classroom in front of thirty other people. Meng replied that everything any of them had ever heard was a bunch of BULLSHIT, that DDT never harmed anything other than insects and was utterly harmless to hawks and eagles and/or their eggs. He said that the decline in raptor populations from the mid 1800s to the mid 1900s was due to farmers and rednecks using them for shotgun practice i.e. that they were dying from lead poisoning, and that after around 1960 farmers started keeping chickens in cages and nobody cared any more, and the raptors came back.



Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 08:28 pm
@gungasnake,
http://www.3dchem.com/molecules.asp?ID=90
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 09:35 pm
@Intrepid,
http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 03:44 pm
More (bedbugs shutting down Boston area hotel industry)

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/09/02/bedbug_fears_putting_the_bite_on_hotel_industry/

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Not that bedbugs are anything new. Though they were virtually eradicated from the United States at the end of World War II, thanks to the now-banned pesticide DDT, they started finding their way back about a decade ago.Continued...


Then again I keep getting back to my buddy taking the course under Heinz Meng (America's greatest expert on raptors) and asking him about DDT in front of 30 people in a classroom and Meng's reply ("Son, everything you've ever heard or read about DDT is a bunch of BULLSHIT...").
parados
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 04:15 pm
@gungasnake,
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Son, everything you've ever heard or read about DDT is a bunch of BULLSHIT...


That sounds like great advice when it comes to reading what you say about DDT gunga. Thanks for the info. I'll keep it in mind from now on.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 06:30 pm
Again for those who might not have read this one in the past...

Meng said that DDT had zero effect on hawks and eagles: zilch, nada, nothing.

He said that what was killing raptors prior to around 1965 or thereabouts was being used for shotgun practice. They had a habit of stealing chickens and farmers hated them. Then, somewhere in the mid to late 60s, farmers started keeping chickens in cages and nobody cared any more, and the hawks and eagles came back.

Meanwhile something like 100,000,000 people have died needless deaths from malaria since DDT was banned, making Rachel Carson the greatest mass murderer in the history of the world.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 10:01 am
@gungasnake,
100,000,000 people have died from malaria since the US banned DDT?

Oh.. that's right, I need to remember anything gunga says about DDT is BS.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 10:22 am
@gungasnake,
1 ) You are telling us
2) that your buddy understood correctly
3) when he heard Heinz Meng
4) Say that DDT had nothing to do with the near extinction of bald eagles.

You are not only asking us to believe something that you said, you are invoking a buddy of yours who could be lying or could have simply misunderstood what Heinz Meng said.

In other words there are 3 levels of this claim that I don't find very credible. If there was a direct quote of Heinz Meng saying this, it would mean something.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 05:47 am
http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html#ref7

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DDT was blamed for the decline in the bald eagle population.


Bald eagles were reportedly threatened with extinction in 1921 -- 25 years before widespread use of DDT.

[Van Name, WG. 1921. Ecology 2:76]
Alaska paid over $100,000 in bounties for 115,000 bald eagles between 1917 and 1942.

[Anon. Science News Letter, July 3, 1943]
The bald eagle had vanished from New England by 1937.

[Bent, AC. 1937. Raptorial Birds of America. US National Museum Bull 167:321-349]
After 15 years of heavy and widespread usage of DDT, Audubon Society ornithologists counted 25 percent more eagles per observer in 1960 than during the pre-DDT 1941 bird census.

[Marvin, PH. 1964 Birds on the rise. Bull Entomol Soc Amer 10(3):184-186; Wurster, CF. 1969 Congressional Record S4599, May 5, 1969; Anon. 1942. The 42nd Annual Christmas Bird Census. Audubon Magazine 44:1-75 (Jan/Feb 1942; Cruickshank, AD (Editor). 1961. The 61st Annual Christmas Bird Census. Audubon Field Notes 15(2):84-300; White-Stevens, R.. 1972. Statistical analyses of Audubon Christmas Bird censuses. Letter to New York Times, August 15, 1972]
No significant correlation between DDE residues and shell thickness was reported in a large series of bald eagle eggs.

[Postupalsky, S. 1971. (DDE residues and shell thickness). Canadian Wildlife Service manuscript, April 8, 1971]
Thickness of eggshells from Florida, Maine and Wisconsin was found to not be correlated with DDT residues.

Data from Krantz, WC. 1970. Pesticides Monitoring Journal 4(3):136-140.
State Thickness (mm) DDE residue (ppm)
Florida 0.50 About 10
Maine 0.53 About 22
Wisconsin 0.55 About 4


U.S. Forest Service studies reported an increase in nesting bald eagle productivity (51 in 1964 to 107 in 1970).

[U.S. Forest Service (Milwaukee, WI). 1970. Annual Report on Bald Eagle Status]
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists fed large doses of DDT to captive bald eagles for 112 days and concluded that "DDT residues encountered by eagles in the environment would not adversely affect eagles or their eggs."

[Stickel, L. 1966. Bald eagle-pesticide relationships. Trans 31st N Amer Wildlife Conference, pp.190-200]
Wildlife authorities attributed bald eagle population reductions to a "widespread loss of suitable habitat", but noted that "illegal shooting continues to be the leading cause of direct mortality in both adult and immature bald eagles."

[Anon.. 1978. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Endangered Species Tech Bull 3:8-9]
Every bald eagle found dead in the U.S., between 1961-1977 (266 birds) was analyzed by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists who reported no adverse effects caused by DDT or its residues.

[Reichel, WL. 1969. (Pesticide residues in 45 bald eagles found dad in the U.S. 1964-1965). Pesticides Monitoring J 3(3)142-144; Belisle, AA. 1972. (Pesticide residues and PCBs and mercury, in bald eagles found dead in the U.S. 1969-1970). Pesticides Monitoring J 6(3): 133-138; Cromartie, E. 1974. (Organochlorine pesticides and PCBs in 37 bald eagles found dead in the U.S. 1971-1972). Pesticides Monitoring J 9:11-14; Coon, NC. 1970. (Causes of bald eagle mortality in the US 1960-1065). Journal of Wildlife Diseases 6:72-76]
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists linked high intake of mercury from contaminated fish with eagle reproductive problems.

[Spann, JW, RG Heath, JF Kreitzer, LN Locke. 1972. (Lethal and reproductive effects of mercury on birds) Science 175:328- 331]
Shooting, power line electrocution, collisions in flight and poisoning from eating ducks containing lead shot were ranked by the National Wildlife Federation as late as 1984 as the leading causes of eagle deaths.

gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 05:57 am
Hell of a thing., isn't it? I mean, Genghis Khan not having that all-time mass murder prize isn't due to any lack of effort on his part.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Genghis_Khan_Equestrian_Statue.JPG/170px-Genghis_Khan_Equestrian_Statue.JPG

Likewise, Tamerlane wanted that trophy really bad, and tried really hard:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Timur_reconstruction03.jpg/250px-Timur_reconstruction03.jpg


but that all-time mass murder trophy still went to a shit4brains idiot leftwing female yuppy on a crusade against DDT which cost the lives of something like 100,000,000 people :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Rachel-Carson.jpg/200px-Rachel-Carson.jpg

Rachel Carson: All-time prize for mass murder.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 09:11 am
@gungasnake,
More BS from gunga where I should take his advice and ignore it.


OK...
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 09:16 am
@gungasnake,
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but that all-time mass murder trophy still went to a shit4brains idiot leftwing female yuppy on a crusade against DDT which cost the lives of something like 100,000,000 people :

That has to be right up there with your claims about human made faces on Mars.

Let's see.
100,000,000 people died because DDT was banned?
US banned DDT in 1972.
UK banned DDT in 1984.
But according to Fox News DDT was never banned in Africa
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While DDT has not been officially banned in Africa, its use is discouraged by limited production and cumbersome environmentalist-designed rules on use and handling.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173766,00.html

I am curious how 100,000,000 people have died from Malaria because of the ban on DDT gunga. Could you provide us with a valid source? Or is this just you pulling large things out of your ass again?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:19 am
http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVAyodeleDDT90707.html

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Last year, one of our colleagues, his wife and their two children were diagnosed with malaria. In an instant, their lives were turned upside down. All other plans were postponed. The priority was getting better and staying alive.

For countless families in Nigeria and the rest of Africa, this horrible drama is repeated over and over, year after year. Over 300 million Africans get malaria annually, and up to one million of our children will die from it.

Meanwhile, in countries that no longer have malaria, environmentalists are celebrating the 100th birthday of Rachel Carson. Her book, Silent Spring, helped launch the environmental activist movement and led to a nearly worldwide ban on the insecticide DDT. Were she still alive, she could witness the countless family tragedies that this ban helped cause, and she would probably be appalled.

Malaria once killed thousands of Americans annually. It sent Jamestown colonists to early graves and - as late as the 1930s - reduced the industrial output of America's southern states by a third. Malarial mosquitoes also ruled over Europe for centuries. They decimated armies from the time of Alexander the Great to World War II.

But during that global war, dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane (DDT) was dusted on Allied soldiers and tents to prevent malaria. After the war, it stopped a European typhus epidemic. It then helped virtually eradicate malaria in the United States by 1952 and in Europe by 1961. It was also used - often carelessly and in excess - to protect crops against insects.

However, in the midst of these successes, Rachel Carson and the emerging environmental movement concluded that DDT was building up in wildlife, livestock and humans. They said it would result in devastating consequences. Instead of conducting objective, scientific studies to see if DDT was actually harmful, they mounted a worldwide campaign that ultimately caused DDT to be removed even from the malaria control arsenal.

For these Americans and Europeans, seeking this ban imposed no costs. Malaria was largely gone in their countries. When they visit Africa, they stay in five-star hotels, away from mosquitoes. They have bug sprays and medicines to prevent and treat disease. They rarely visit the hospitals or homes where people are suffering and dying or feel the pain of million of poor people whose cause they claim to champion.

Africa essentially became a sacrifice zone where environmental ideologies demand that only politically-correct tools like bed nets be used to prevent the disease that is still the biggest single killer of our children. It is a crime against humanity to ban DDT and leave over 300 million African mothers, fathers and children to suffer every year from acute malaria....

Even today, 65 years after it was first used in disease control, no other chemical works as well for as long or at a lower cost in stopping malaria and other mosquito-borne diseases than DDT. There is no proof that it is harmful to people or animals when used responsibly. That is why hundreds of physicians, clergy and human rights advocates have demanded that it be put back into the malaria control arsenal.

Finally, our health officials are listening. The World Health Organization and USAID are again supporting DDT for household spraying, and millions are benefiting.

South Africa's DDT household-spraying program cut malaria rates by 80 percent in 18 months with no harmful environmental effects. Mozambique, Zambia, Madagascar and Swaziland slashed their malaria rates by more than 75 percent within two years. The countries were then able to treat a much smaller number of seriously ill patients with new artemisinin-based drugs, and slashed malaria rates by over 90 percent in just three years!

Uganda has also been able to reduce the malarial burden from 30 percent to three percent in villages where houses were sprayed with Icon. Now it plans to use DDT as well because it costs less, keeps mosquitoes out of houses and remains effective much longer.

Despite these huge achievements, some people in Europe threaten agricultural bans and other sanctions against countries that use DDT to save lives. Aid agencies refuse to supply or support the use of DDT while promoting bed nets that don't get delivered and await vaccines that are still a decade away.

Environmental groups continue to tell lies about DDT and worry more about hypothetical health problems from the chemical than about the disease and death it can prevent.

parados
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 08:05 am
@gungasnake,
Yawn.....
but still nothing to support your 100,000,000 claim?

Oh well.. I guess it's true. We should ignore what you say since it is garbage that you can't support.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 08:51 am
http://www.topnews.in/files/Nile-river3.jpg

de Nile...
parados
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 08:45 pm
@gungasnake,
You had to photoshop a picture of the Nile?

You live in a strange world gunga.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 05:41 am
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2010/09/18/Bedbugs-make-Niketown-scratch-shopping-day/UPI-86181284840521/
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